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  1. #1

    Jan 2005
    Lancaster, Ohio
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    button? pin?

    I would love to know what this is. To me it looks like a cannon and the back shank looks like a button. I sent an email to a guy and he said he thought it was overspill but it appears to be part of the button, does not look like overspill at all. I hope someone can help me identify this.

    The site is two very old foundations in woods. Thanks for any help!
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  2. #2

    Re: button? pin?



    I think you have a lead seal :P

    SS
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  3. #3
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    Dec 2010
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    Re: button? pin?

    It could have been a crude attempt at making a button ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher


    I think you have a lead seal :P

    SS
    ... but I'd tend to agree with a lead seal. They were made in different shapes, a lot with the overspill :

    http://ourpasthistory.com/Gallery/bagseals?page=1


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    Re: button? pin?

    It looks like a cast 18th C pewter (but high in Lead or might actually be completely Lead) button attempt. Clearly it failed & was probably chucked. I don't think its a seal because I see no signs of slots in the edge.

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...t=8383&cat=all
    Although the above is earlier, it shows similar casting charactistics, just the loop failed & it had leaking from one edge.

    I have seen similar designed buttons as well, just can't find a picture :P

    Very cool find.
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    Re: button? pin?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER
    It looks like a cast 18th C pewter (but high in lead) button attempt. Clearly it failed & was probably chucked. I don't think its a seal because I see no signs of slots in the edge.

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...t=8383&cat=all
    Although the above is earlier, it shows similar casting charactistics, just the loop failed & it had leaking from one edge.

    I have seen similar designed buttons as well, just can't find a picture :P

    Very cool find.
    I stand corrected; should've gone with the "crude attempt" as I first thought.

    http://www.daacs.org/aboutDatabase/p...ng/Buttons.pdf (picture on page 7)

  6. #6

    Re: button? pin?



    A button would make more sence now looking at it, especially with that design, and the flattened gate on the back

    SS
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  7. #7

    Re: button? pin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Searcher


    A buttonn would make more sence now looking at it, especially with that design, and the flattened gate on the back

    SS
    Yeah, but what I can't make my mind up about is the date. Because it seems more Lead (nearly pure looking) than pewter which I guess could push it back further

    http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/sho...t=8707&cat=all
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  8. #8

    Jan 2005
    Lancaster, Ohio
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    Re: button? pin?

    I think it is a button and designed this way. I say that because of the way it was made.. hard to explain but the way it was molded and how it was designed it appears it was made this way. I do not think this is overspill and the few people who have seen it in person agree, we could be wrong.

    The back looks like it was a button and the shank is broken off, again, not positive but thats the feeling I get from it.

  9. #9

    Re: button? pin?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyehunter
    I think it is a button and designed this way. I say that because of the way it was made.. hard to explain but the way it was molded and how it was designed it appears it was made this way. I do not think this is overspill and the few people who have seen it in person agree, we could be wrong.

    The back looks like it was a button and the shank is broken off, again, not positive but thats the feeling I get from it.
    pretty sure it is (mould leak)
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  10. #10

    Jan 2005
    Lancaster, Ohio
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    Re: button? pin?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER
    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyehunter
    I think it is a button and designed this way. I say that because of the way it was made.. hard to explain but the way it was molded and how it was designed it appears it was made this way. I do not think this is overspill and the few people who have seen it in person agree, we could be wrong.

    The back looks like it was a button and the shank is broken off, again, not positive but thats the feeling I get from it.
    pretty sure it is (mould leak)
    another thing, in the overflow area on the front it seems to have designs in it, raised sections or carved. Do you think it was an overflow and they carved on that part of it and still used it? the back of the overflow is flat and smooth

  11. #11

    Re: button? pin?

    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyehunter
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER
    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyehunter
    I think it is a button and designed this way. I say that because of the way it was made.. hard to explain but the way it was molded and how it was designed it appears it was made this way. I do not think this is overspill and the few people who have seen it in person agree, we could be wrong.

    The back looks like it was a button and the shank is broken off, again, not positive but thats the feeling I get from it.
    pretty sure it is (mould leak)
    another thing, in the overflow area on the front it seems to have designs in it, raised sections or carved. Do you think it was an overflow and they carved on that part of it and still used it? the back of the overflow is flat and smooth
    I don't see any carving, maybe a close up is needed.

    Not very practical as a button going through a hole with that lump on the side.
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    Re: button? pin?

    Crusader is right. This is an attempt at casting a button in a mold out of either pewter or lead.

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