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  1. #1

    Jun 2006
    Kentucky, USA
    51

    .38 revolver

    Can anyone id this old double-action .38 revolver? There is no manufacturer stamp, only "38 S. & W. CTGE." on the barrel and serial no. 302770 on the frame. It's a little rough, with most of the blueing gone and some minor pitting on one side of the barrel and one side of the cylinder. Probably stored improperly, laying on this side for years. Some kind of action problem also, as half the time the hammer fails to fall, locked up. It had a lot of use at one time, as the checkering on the grip is very worn. Friends were going to throw it out when moving, so, being the packrat that I am, I grabbed it.
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  2. #2
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    DG

    Mar 2006
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    Re: .38 revolver

    Smith & Wesson. I dont know what model but fairly early. I think it could be restored fairly easy..
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  3. #3
    us
    Beep beep 'm beep beep Yeah

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    Re: .38 revolver

    I'm not a serious "gun-guy", so you likely know more than myself. Sure, I own a few, but what American doesn't? I tried a bit of researching on this and repeatedly came across the description: "H & R Arms Company "DEFENDER 38" 5-shot revolver". This is not my guess at an ID, but rather a point to be considered in researching, as they were very similar. The values seemed to be in the $150- $225 range for what I saw "out there"... but none were exact, so take that with a grain of salt. At any rate, I'm quite certain you made a good choice to take it.
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  4. #4

    May 2005
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    Re: .38 revolver

    Think what Nhbenz said about it being a
    Harrington & Richardson product could be
    correct.

    Strange no name on it.
    Have you taken off the handgrips and checked
    for any marking there?

    H&R used that type of ejecting plate on their
    revolvers.

    They were the last US company offering a
    break open revolver.

    have a good un.............
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  5. #5
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    Jul 2005
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    Re: .38 revolver

    I've got a few like that. Mine are made by IVER JOHNSON. I had to look at them a few times to find the name . It's in small print on the top of the barrel.
    Time is nothing, timing is everything.

  6. #6
    mx
    Nov 2004
    Alamos,Sonora,Mexico
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    Re: .38 revolver

    I agree willie

    Iver Johnson .38 S&W cartridge

    This is the hammerless model.

    Check the position of the pins and screws

    Tropical Tramp
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  7. #7

    Jun 2006
    Kentucky, USA
    51

    Re: .38 revolver

    I haven't had a chance to research the suggestions given by you guys yet. I did, however, remember that I had a book of pages (reprints) from old gun catalogs from 1880-1920. Most of the guns of this type, but by different gunmakers, seemed very similar in appearance. The biggest difference I saw was in the grip decoration. Two guns, in the Montgomery Ward 1895 catalog, had grips that were identical to the ones on this gun. They were Hopkins & Allen and Thames Arms Co. The Smith & Wessons had a more elongated "star" in the center, where the screw goes. Plus, all the Smith & Wessons and Colts had their logo in the circle at the top. Notice these have center "stars" that measure pretty much equally in both directions. Also, there is no logo in the circle at the top, only a field of dots. Unfortunately, there were no old H & Rs or Iver Johnsons in the catalog pages, so I'll still do the research on these.

    I did remove the grips, as Shermanville suggested. There was only another copy of the serial no. on the frame there. I did find where someone had scratched the number "4610" on the backside of one of the grips. The "6" may also be a "C". Hard to tell.
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  8. #8

    Oct 2005
    Central Minnesota
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    Re: .38 revolver

    So glad you saved it form being thrown out.
    Even if it's not in good shooting condition
    you can still admire the workmanship and history it may have seen.

    The Blueing being gone mostly fom one side suggests it was carried in a holster and well used.
    Is it a Jacket on or Jacket off day?

  9. #9

    Jan 2005
    kansas city/ osceola missouri
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    Re: .38 revolver

    give it a good soaking in break-free. sold at most gun shops, that should free up the hammer.

  10. #10
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    monty

    Jan 2005
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    Re: .38 revolver

    It's a copy of a Smith and Wesson but unless it has the S&W logo it is not a true Smith and Wesson. There was any numbers of copies of the S&W Revolver made, usually cheap and not quite as well made. I have one hanging on my wall as a curio and room decoratin here at the house.As for the finish, mine was nickel plated at one time but much has worn off. Monty
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  11. #11
    gr
    Jul 2006
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    Re: .38 revolver

    It sure is a Smith and Wesons calper 38.
    Send an e-mail to S&W with the serial number, and they will tell you the model and the exact date of production.
    Digman.

  12. #12
    us
    Jul 2005
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    Re: .38 revolver

    Quote Originally Posted by willie d
    I've got a few like that. Mine are made by IVER JOHNSON. I had to look at them a few times to find the name . It's in small print on the top of the barrel.
    Ater looking in the box where my 2 IVER JOHNSONS were, I noticed another pistol of mine that I forgot about. It is one similiar to yours, but it says FOR 32 SMITH& WESSON CTGS SERIAL #319409 and it says PATENTED under the serial #. It also says SECRET SERVICE SPECIAL on one side of the barrel. My IVER JONSONS have owl heads on the grips. I don't know how to post pictures, so hopefully I described it well enough.
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  13. #13
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    DG

    Mar 2006
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    Re: .38 revolver

    Quote Originally Posted by dg39
    Smith & Wesson. I dont know what model but fairly early. I think it could be restored fairly easy..
    DG
    Post #2 Smith & Wesson.
    DG
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    My playtoy site:  genius-antiques.com

 

 

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