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    Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    I dug this old Gilded button this summer. Its been soaking in olive oil for three month. i just got a toy USB Microscope for the computer. 10x,60x,200x The photo is at 10times. I know now why I could not read it! All the letters/words are backwards? Its a dog looking in a door, open?With a tree over the door! Under the dog AS or A2 It reads (backwards) bottom right.
    MAY MY FRIEND PROVE FAITHFUL
    Any body have a clue to what this is from why its backwards?
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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Is it some kind of wax seal stamp ?

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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    I agree with it being a seal Great find!

    It could be the one listed in this 1830 catalog-

    http://books.google.com/books?id=eYw...ful%22&f=false


    CATALOGUE
    OF THAT PART OF
    Mr. WILLIAM TASSIE'S
    EXTENSIVE COLLECTION
    OF
    IMPRESSIONS FROM ENGRAVED GEMS,
    CONSISTING OF
    DEVICES AND EMBLEMS,
    WITH
    MOTTOS IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES

    MADE IN COMPOSITION FOR

    SEALS,

    AT

    20, LEICESTER SQUARE;
    Page 21



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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Quote Originally Posted by Bramblefind
    I agree with it being a seal Great find!

    It could be the one listed in this 1830 catalog-

    http://books.google.com/books?id=eYw...ful%22&f=false

    Wow what great information! Who what did this guy do?Can you point me a better link to your source? I am still a little confused. Here is the side view. You can see why I am thinking button. Perhaps a remake during that period rather than a coin button?

    CATALOGUE
    OF THAT PART OF
    Mr. WILLIAM TASSIE'S
    EXTENSIVE COLLECTION
    OF
    IMPRESSIONS FROM ENGRAVED GEMS,
    CONSISTING OF
    DEVICES AND EMBLEMS,
    WITH
    MOTTOS IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES

    MADE IN COMPOSITION FOR

    SEALS,

    AT

    20, LEICESTER SQUARE;
    Page 21


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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Well, it is either a modified seal where the shank shown was added later for some reason or it is not as good as a seal, meaning it is a facsimile seal (button representing the seal and not actually a seal just like there are facsimile Spanish coin buttons).

    Don
    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true.  For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    I'm going with modified seal, the shank looks to be a later crude construction
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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUSADER
    I'm going with modified seal, the shank looks to be a later crude construction
    That was my first choice, just does not look like a typical shank........
    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true.  For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Quote Originally Posted by Buried Crap NJ

    Wow what great information! Who what did this guy do?Can you point me a better link to your source? I am still a little confused. Here is the side view. You can see why I am thinking button. Perhaps a remake during that period rather than a coin button?

    Here's a brief bio of him-

    http://www.britishmuseum.org/researc...px?bioId=78307

    Biographical details



    William Tassie (maker/artist; Scottish; Male; 1777 - 1860)
    Bibliography

    DNB, vol. 16, qv William Tassie
    John M. Gray, 'James and William Tassie. A biographical and critical sketch', London 1894 (reprinted 1974).
    Biography

    Modeller and manufacturer of impressions of intaglio gems and of glass paste portrait cameos. Took over the business of his uncle, James Tassie (qv) at 20 Leicester Square on the latter's death in 1799. William added to his uncle's collection of glass casts after engraved gems, so that his collection of impressions in glass, plaster or sulphur eventually exceeded 20,000. Like his uncle, he employed distinguished artists for his portrait medallions in white glass paste. He also expanded the business to include glass seals and gems inscribed with sentimental mottoes, issuing catalogues of them in 1816 (with a second edition in 1820) and 1830.
    The 1830 catalogue was titled: 'A catalogue of that part of Mr. William Tassie's Extensive Collection of Impressions from Engraved Gems, consisting of Devices and Emblems with Mottoes in Various Languages made in composition for Seals . . . .', London 1830.
    It might be that your "button" was based on his design but not actually one of his pieces since it says his were "glass seals and gems inscribed with sentimental mottoes.."

    It sure is a nice find and you did a great job cleaning it up.

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    Re: Old Gilded Button Old Inland Swim Beach

    Quote Originally Posted by Bramblefind
    Quote Originally Posted by Buried Crap NJ

    Wow what great information! Who what did this guy do?Can you point me a better link to your source? I am still a little confused. Here is the side view. You can see why I am thinking button. Perhaps a remake during that period rather than a coin button?

    Here's a brief bio of him-

    http://www.britishmuseum.org/researc...px?bioId=78307

    Biographical details



    William Tassie (maker/artist; Scottish; Male; 1777 - 1860)
    Bibliography

    DNB, vol. 16, qv William Tassie
    John M. Gray, 'James and William Tassie. A biographical and critical sketch', London 1894 (reprinted 1974).
    Biography

    Modeller and manufacturer of impressions of intaglio gems and of glass paste portrait cameos. Took over the business of his uncle, James Tassie (qv) at 20 Leicester Square on the latter's death in 1799. William added to his uncle's collection of glass casts after engraved gems, so that his collection of impressions in glass, plaster or sulphur eventually exceeded 20,000. Like his uncle, he employed distinguished artists for his portrait medallions in white glass paste. He also expanded the business to include glass seals and gems inscribed with sentimental mottoes, issuing catalogues of them in 1816 (with a second edition in 1820) and 1830.
    The 1830 catalogue was titled: 'A catalogue of that part of Mr. William Tassie's Extensive Collection of Impressions from Engraved Gems, consisting of Devices and Emblems with Mottoes in Various Languages made in composition for Seals . . . .', London 1830.
    It might be that your "button" was based on his design but not actually one of his pieces since it says his were "glass seals and gems inscribed with sentimental mottoes.."

    It sure is a nice find and you did a great job cleaning it up.
    Correct, famous motto's or quotes had no IPR in those days & were copied, & copied & copied. No way of telling a manufacturer by a motto alone.
    TOO BUSY TO DETECT, YOU'RE TOO BUSY!!!

    'No good comes from thinking about how much time we waste detecting, as wasted time is good soul time' - me 25/06/08
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