SOLVED (mostly) help IDing this coin pendant

[cinnamonstick]

Sorry- may have posted this in the wrong spot at first.
I have a pendant that I got as a gift years and years ago. Want to sell- not sure what it is? I have done a bit of online research and still confused. My pics are sideways (just discovered that today). Front with the Crusaders cross lion and castle needs to be turned counter clock wise one notch.

The back needs to be turned clockwise so the pendant hanging tag is at 15 on a clock.
Not sure why the coin is not hung properly...

Any ideas? It seems to be silver (took tarnish cloth and it did buff)--stopped bc not sure if it was wise to "clean" an old coin. It was a gift..no idea where from ..no papers.
14K gold stamped on the back.

Thanks for any info.

[ivan salis]

looks like a 1 reale spanish cob mexico mint

[cinnamonstick]

looks like a 1 reale spanish cob mexico mint

Thank you!
I posted this in two spots (first was the wrong section I think?--then found this ID thread). Somene else said the same--since i told them it weighted a total of 5 grams on my home electric food scale.

1R
I googled it and found some pics. Yes--looks very close!! Now, how to determine if it is real? Anything I can look for that would show if it was a replica? I plan to take it to a coin dealer today--and wish to sell....

[DCMatt]

It looks like "shipwreck jewelry". Do a Google search and you'll see similar pieces. It probably had a certificate of authenticity with it once upon a time.

DCMatt

[ivan salis]

copy coins normal are legally required to be marked "copy" on them if they were made after the coin hobby act was passed --this act was passed to prevent folks from "faking" antique coins and thus ruining the collectiblity of coins in the antique coin market. --most likely being it is housed in a 14 k gold housing its a real coin * --now if the housing is 14 k "plated" most likely a reproduction type item -- but if its real gold who would match up a fake silver coin with a real gold holder ? , makes poor bussiness sense , since a real spanish 1 reale silver coin is not that costly compared to the real 14 k holders value.

a "fake" coin would cheapen the appeal of the real 14 k holder --but a real coin would "conplete " the set up -- (real gold / real coin) --( plated gold holder - reproduction type coin )

[cinnamonstick]

copy coins normal are legally required to be marked "copy" on them if they were made after the coin hobby act was passed --this act was passed to prevent folks from "faking" antique coins and thus ruining the collectiblity of coins in the antique coin market. --most likely being it is housed in a 14 k gold housing its a real coin * --now if the housing is 14 k "plated" most likely a reproduction type item -- but if its real gold who would match up a fake silver coin with a real gold holder ? , makes poor bussiness sense , since a real spanish 1 reale silver coin is not that costly compared to the real 14 k holders value.

a "fake" coin would cheapen the appeal of the real 14 k holder --but a real coin would "conplete " the set up -- (real gold / real coin) --( plated gold holder - reproduction type coin )

Thank you for this info! It is stamped 14K on the back so I am assuming it is real gold. I will see if the coin collector can validate any info found here! Thanks! Christmas gifts --need $....I am not wearing it Better for someone else to love.
Any idea what the value?

[ivan salis]

well if the 14 k gold pendant holder is real gold it clearly will have a bit of value just for that alone * value is tough to say -- things that are worth a mint to one person is not worth squat to another * -so i do not try to place a set value on things for others as a general rule -- i would say to look up 1 reale coin pendants online and work from there -- know however not having a COA to vouch that it is real will most likely hurt the sale value you can get for it a bit -- any ideal of what your going to ask for / trying to get for it?

[cinnamonstick]

well if the 14 k gold pendant holder is real gold it clearly will have a bit of value just for that alone * value is tough to say -- things that are worth a mint to one person is not worth squat to another * -so i do not try to place a set value on things for others as a general rule -- i would say to look up 1 reale coin pendants online and work from there -- know however not having a COA to vouch that it is real will most likely hurt the sale value you can get for it a bit -- any ideal of what your going to ask for / trying to get for it?

It was listed for sale at "auction" starting at $199. but put that on "hold". There were tons intersted in the three days it was up for sale. "Scared me" so I thought I better figure out what this is before giving it away. I made up the price I was asking. I googled a shipwrecked coin pendant and saw some running about $450 (in gold also) and figured $199 was a good start-could lower price if no body bought etc. I dont want it- money means more to me at this point than a pendant that has sat in my jewelry box for 10 plus years (literally). I will try to google prices..gues though- prices depends on quality of the coin and I have NO idea about that sort of thing. (grade/quality). I guess I still am focused on proving it is authentic (hopefully today can get that answer)--then google prices...and off to get rid of it!

[cinnamonstick]

well if the 14 k gold pendant holder is real gold it clearly will have a bit of value just for that alone * value is tough to say -- things that are worth a mint to one person is not worth squat to another * -so i do not try to place a set value on things for others as a general rule -- i would say to look up 1 reale coin pendants online and work from there -- know however not having a COA to vouch that it is real will most likely hurt the sale value you can get for it a bit -- any ideal of what your going to ask for / trying to get for it?

It was listed for sale at $199 but put that on "hold". There were tons intersted in the three days it was up for sale. "Scared me" so I thought I better figure out what this is before giving it away. I made up the price I was asking. I googled a shipwrecked coin pendant and saw some running about $450 (in gold also) and figured $199 was a good start-could lower price if no body bought etc.

I dont want it- money means more to me at this point than a pendant that has sat in my jewelry box for 10 plus years (literally). I will try to google prices..gues though- prices depends on quality of the coin and I have NO idea about that sort of thing. (grade/quality). I guess I still am focused on proving it is authentic (hopefully today can get that answer)--then google prices...and off to get rid of it!

[ivan salis]

the $450 one was most likely a 8 reale one - the 1 reale coin you got is a good deal smaller but would still make some one a great lil christmas gift * i think you could get your $200 for it & get the money you need and let some one else enjoy it , everyone wins that way.

[cinnamonstick]

Hello and thanks for all your help...

I stopped at the coin collector #1 (ended up hitting two)...he was a man of few words. confirmed it was real, silver and 14K gold. That was just about all he said- shipwrecked coin..authentic...and runs about $300 retail.

I went to a second place that was much more friendly. This man said many of the same things...added it was 1R (nice job gentlemen--and ladies) and part of a 8-- 90% silver (as I guess most shipwreck coins are)...said it was in nice condion--not a super big peice....and gave me a guess a bit higher.
He could not tell me a year (uggg....) or the ship it may have come from. I was really wanting that info!
Any guesses?

So you all were right! Thanks for the help!

off to sell... I am glad to know it is real- I was afraid it would be a knock off and didnt want to sell it as authentic if it was not. We will see....

[ivan salis]

due to shortages of "small change" type coins -- large value 8 reale bob coins were often commonly cut up into 8 smaller pieces (called a "bit" ) --of which 1 bit would be worth 1 reale -- thus it was made into small change -- guy 1 said it was a 1 reale coin as it was made at the mint --however guy 2 was saying it was a part of a 8 real coin at one time -which was cut up into 8ths --you got 1 part out of 8 thus 1 reale

happily both said real coin

the part you have does not have the date upon it so at best only a rough time frame can be figgered by the general coin pattern type -- the ship it was upon and its cl;ose to or exact date might have been on the COA that it originally had --but only god knows now

by looking at it i can tell you mexico mint (the cross has ball type ends -used only in the mexico mint) - its a 1 reale coin see the whole cross on the coin if it was a part of a 8 reale the whole cross would not be there -- so to me---it looks to be mexico mint 1 reale cob coin (sheild type ) made somewhere between 1572 and 1733 -- rough general date era range --good luck