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  1. #1
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    several "unknowns"

    You guys and gals have been so awesome in identifying my "don't know what it is, but it's a nice one!" whatsits that I thought I would run a few more by you for I.D.'s. Thanks so much for looking, and for all your help!
    p.s.--all of the following items are brass and were found around old antebellum housesites in Virginia.


    *****Correction--the hammer or hasp item is IRON, not brass--sorry!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails several "unknowns"-fastener-1.jpg   several "unknowns"-fastener-2.jpg   several "unknowns"-fuse-1.jpg   several "unknowns"-fuse-2.jpg   several "unknowns"-hinge-1.jpg  

    several "unknowns"-hinge-2.jpg   several "unknowns"-half-latch-1.jpg   several "unknowns"-half-latch-2.jpg   several "unknowns"-lady-1.jpg   several "unknowns"-lady-2.jpg  

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  2. #2
    us
    Dec 2008
    Ohio
    758
    4 times

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Third item is a hammer for a flintlock gun, fourth item is a journal bearing.

  3. #3
    us
    Sep 2010
    Whites MXT, Whites DFX, Whites 6000 Di Pro
    356
    1 times

    Re: several "unknowns"

    The top two photos look like they might be a sash buckle? The second two look like an artillery shell fuse holder, that screwed into the explosive shell, then the wooden time fuse was pounded into that, sawed off at the mark showing the seconds before the shell would exploded, then loaded into the gun with the fuse pointing out the barrel, then when fired the fire came around the ball, lighting the fuse, which supposedly blew the shell up when they wanted. That probably worked well, they managed to kill and cripple a lot of people. The third two are in fact the lower part or the hammer for a flintlock musket, rifle, or pistol. There was an opposing piece on the flat top part that created a moveable jaw that would screw down and clamp the flint tightly between the jaws. In those days it wasn't called the "hammer," it was called the "cock." The hammer drops, causing the flint to strike the frizzen, in those days called the "hammer," raining a shower of sparks into the "pan," which held the priming powder, which ignited, flashing through the "vent," igniting the charge and the gun fired. Sounds crazy, but it was very efficient. The rest of the photos I don't have any idea.

  4. #4
    Charter Member
    us
    Oct 2011
    VENTURA COUNTY, CA
    WHITES EAGLE
    142
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by taz42o
    Third item is a hammer for a flintlock gun, fourth item is a journal bearing.
    Although this sure resembles a hammer, I think it is a hasp, like you would see on a cabinet or window.

    H_S

  5. #5
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by taz42o
    Third item is a hammer for a flintlock gun, fourth item is a journal bearing.

    Thanks taz42o!

  6. #6
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by BosnMate
    The top two photos look like they might be a sash buckle? The second two look like an artillery shell fuse holder, that screwed into the explosive shell, then the wooden time fuse was pounded into that, sawed off at the mark showing the seconds before the shell would exploded, then loaded into the gun with the fuse pointing out the barrel, then when fired the fire came around the ball, lighting the fuse, which supposedly blew the shell up when they wanted. That probably worked well, they managed to kill and cripple a lot of people. The third two are in fact the lower part or the hammer for a flintlock musket, rifle, or pistol. There was an opposing piece on the flat top part that created a moveable jaw that would screw down and clamp the flint tightly between the jaws. In those days it wasn't called the "hammer," it was called the "cock." The hammer drops, causing the flint to strike the frizzen, in those days called the "hammer," raining a shower of sparks into the "pan," which held the priming powder, which ignited, flashing through the "vent," igniting the charge and the gun fired. Sounds crazy, but it was very efficient. The rest of the photos I don't have any idea.

    Wow BosnMate!--you KNOW some stuff! I would like to nominate you for our next President! Thanks so much for all the great information! Jack.

  7. #7
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by taz42o
    Third item is a hammer for a flintlock gun, fourth item is a journal bearing.
    Thanks so much---I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with a "journal bearing".

  8. #8
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by Havilah_Springs
    Quote Originally Posted by taz42o
    Third item is a hammer for a flintlock gun, fourth item is a journal bearing.
    Although this sure resembles a hammer, I think it is a hasp, like you would see on a cabinet or window.

    H_S
    Thanks for the different perspective, H_S!

  9. #9
    gb
    Aug 2009
    SWEDEN
    (on the dry)Minelab ETRAC, backup x-terra 305.(in the wet ) Minelab Excalibur II
    2,029
    3 times

    Re: several "unknowns"

    I have a feeling that the first item is the business end of a branding iron.
           

  10. #10

    Mar 2007
    115

    Re: several "unknowns"

    journal bearing
    A journal bearing, simply stated, is a cylinder which surrounds the shaft and is filled with some form of fluid lubricant. In this bearing a fluid is the medium that supports the shaft preventing metal to metal contact. The most common fluid used is oil, with special applications using water or a gas. This application note will concentrate on oil lubricated journal bearings.
    see this site http://www.reliabilitydirect.com/appnotes/jb.html

    cheers

  11. #11
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dano Sverige
    I have a feeling that the first item is the business end of a branding iron.

    O.K.--Thanks Dano.

  12. #12
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko
    journal bearing
    A journal bearing, simply stated, is a cylinder which surrounds the shaft and is filled with some form of fluid lubricant. In this bearing a fluid is the medium that supports the shaft preventing metal to metal contact. The most common fluid used is oil, with special applications using water or a gas. This application note will concentrate on oil lubricated journal bearings.
    see this site http://www.reliabilitydirect.com/appnotes/jb.html

    cheers
    Thanks so much, Gecko....so I guess it could have come off of any one of a number of machines or equipment?

  13. #13

    Feb 2006
    942
    22 times

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Dirtfisher, the second object is definitely not an artillery fuze, nor a fuze for any other kind of explosive device. it is a valve-body ...possibly an antique tire air valve ...but there are many-many forms of air valves, natural-gas valves, and fluid valves.

    The third object is definitely a hammer from a Flintlock musket or pistol. I'm certain about that because your photo of it shows the (broken-off) screw-pin which held the hammer's missing top-piece. The remnant of the screw-pin is visible above the hammer's curved "arm," on the underside of the flint-holding lower jaw. For confirmation, you can view that assembly in this photo of a complete Flintlock hammer, although it's shape is slightly different from the one you found.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails several "unknowns"-gunpart_flintlock-flint_cwp_cp_614.jpg  

  14. #14
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy
    Dirtfisher, the second object is definitely not an artillery fuze, nor a fuze for any other kind of explosive device. it is a valve-body ...possibly an antique tire air valve ...but there are many-many forms of air valves, natural-gas valves, and fluid valves.

    The third object is definitely a hammer from a Flintlock musket or pistol. I'm certain about that because your photo of it shows the (broken-off) screw-pin which held the hammer's missing top-piece. The remnant of the screw-pin is visible above the hammer's curved "arm," on the underside of the flint-holding lower jaw. For confirmation, you can view that assembly in this photo of a complete Flintlock hammer, although it's shape is slightly different from the one you found.
    Thanks so much--great info! Jack.

  15. #15
    us
    Aug 2004
    Timbuktu
    Magnet on a Stick
    316

    Re: several "unknowns"

    The fourth item appears quite similar to the brass nose cap from a rifle or musket, 19th century. The gun barrel would fit in the half circle shape and the cap was attached with a screw. A nose cap was directly in front of the wood forestock. However, at 2.5 inches width for this particular "nose cap", would make this one very massive musket!

    CC Hunter
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  16. #16
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy
    Dirtfisher, the second object is definitely not an artillery fuze, nor a fuze for any other kind of explosive device. it is a valve-body ...possibly an antique tire air valve ...but there are many-many forms of air valves, natural-gas valves, and fluid valves.

    The third object is definitely a hammer from a Flintlock musket or pistol. I'm certain about that because your photo of it shows the (broken-off) screw-pin which held the hammer's missing top-piece. The remnant of the screw-pin is visible above the hammer's curved "arm," on the underside of the flint-holding lower jaw. For confirmation, you can view that assembly in this photo of a complete Flintlock hammer, although it's shape is slightly different from the one you found.
    I really appreciate the info. CannonballGuy!


  17. #17
    us
    Aug 2011
    81

    Re: several "unknowns"

    Quote Originally Posted by CC Hunter
    The fourth item appears quite similar to the brass nose cap from a rifle or musket, 19th century. The gun barrel would fit in the half circle shape and the cap was attached with a screw. A nose cap was directly in front of the wood forestock. However, at 2.5 inches width for this particular "nose cap", would make this one very massive musket!

    CC Hunter
    Thanks, CC Hunter....I, too, believe this is too large and heavy for a nose cap--it measures about 2 1/2" long by 2 3/4" wide and weighs a little over a pound! Appreciate your help! J.

 

 

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