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    Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    I found this half buried shotgun barrel this morning, it was located at a very old site however, like so many old homesteads in the woods that run along dirt roads that were traveled years ago, there was trash dumped closeby eons ago, so I know it is not period for the homestead itself, or it most likely would have been a musket type.

    Anyway, since I rode a mountain bike to the site and carried the detector and assesories in a backpack, If I was to have brought the long barrel back, it would have been sticking out quite a ways from my pack, and I could just see someone seeing that once I reached a paved road and calling me in, so I took some photos and hid the barrel under a fallen tree if I want to retrieve it in the future.

    So, anybody have an idea if this is a Twisted Steel barrel type? Any information would be more than what I know anymore about shotguns, other than my own Model 12 Winchester Featherweight............

    Don
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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    I think the only way you can tell would be to clean or grind it and see if there is a pattern with in the steel? Also it may be marked Damascus steel, if you can find any stamping on it? HH
    Try looking in the areas I circled in your images
    Broken Knee
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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    Quote Originally Posted by Broken knee
    I think the only way you can tell would be to clean or grind it and see if there is a pattern with in the steel? Also it may be marked Damascus steel, if you can find any stamping on it? HH
    Try looking in the areas I circled in your image
    Broken Knee
    I was hoping by the photos taken that perhaps some detail distinctive to that type of gun would show, of course if I had brought the barrel home I would have cleaned it but, it still be sitting in the woods, all lonely and still dirty. 8)
    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true. For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    Quote Originally Posted by Don in SJ
    Quote Originally Posted by Broken knee
    I think the only way you can tell would be to clean or grind it and see if there is a pattern with in the steel? Also it may be marked Damascus steel, if you can find any stamping on it? HH
    Try looking in the areas I circled in your image
    Broken Knee
    I was hoping by the photos taken that perhaps some detail distinctive to that type of gun would show, of course if I had brought the barrel home I would have cleaned it but, it still be sitting in the woods, all lonely and still dirty. 8)
    unfortunately not through the rust!! what I find interesting you found just the barrel no receiver could be a ditched crime weapon?

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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    Can't really tell - but in image 3a it looks like the scaling of the metal is in line with the bore for some length. It would not do that if the metal were twisted or pattern welded. But if it's just mud then back to

    Note that it is a cartridge shotgun as opposed to a muzzleloader. That much is easy.
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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    I did not photograph the end of the barrels, but they appeared very thin, in fact there was a hole/piece rusted through in one near the end of the barrel. Don't know if that helps with it being that type or not.
    "The mantra has always been don't clean a (copper) coin or it will lose value.
    For undug coins this is true. For dug coins this is untrue.
    The value will increase with judicious cleaning."

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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    I have an old wall hanger and all of the information to identify it is located on the side plate on the receiver. There might be numbers on the barrel that you could google.
    I have a modern Model 311 and it has no stamped numbers anywhere.
    Good luck w/ the ID.

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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    In the last picture, the top barrel looks like it has a bulge in it, and the muzzle end looks like it's been separated. Perhaps there was an obstruction in the barrel that damaged the gun when it was fired, and that's why it ended up where it is. It was a break open cartridge gun, but it's not possible to tell if it was open hammer or not. For twist steel, you would have to get through the rust to see.
    Due to the high price of ammunition there will be no warning shot.

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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    Nice find Don! I thought that I would show a few pics. of a muzzle loader shotgun barrel I found last Saturday for comparison.

    IM

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    stefen

    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    I have a 12 GA double barrel (Damasus Twist) made by LeFever around 1900...

    Its hammerless and uses low-base shells...anything heavier such as high-base or mags and you'd crack the breakover mechanism...and maybe split the barrels or have a blow-back...

    My barrels is almost identical...

    Should have a manufacturers name on the top side near the breakover...
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    Re: Ground found double barrel shotgun barrel-Twist Steel type?

    One of my acquaintances was out deer hunting and found just the metal parts of an old single shot shotgun at the bottom of a tree. He talked to the property owner who was quite elderly and had been born and reared in the old home place. He perked up when he saw the gun parts and said the gun was his. He said he was 9 years old and had shot at a squirrel that ran into a hole in a tree. He leaned his gun up against a small tree several feet away and took his hatchet and chopped the squirrel out of the tree. When he got the squirrel he couldn't find his gun and couldn't remember which tree he had leaned it up against. To that day he never had found it. He got his gun back and hung it up over the fireplace so I am told. Quite an interesting story that I had forgotten until I saw this post. Monty
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