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    What's puzzling me more than anything else is the "angle" of the handle/end portion. It just doesn't seem to drop down or look right with the pictures I'm seeing ... and I have been looking at pistols ~ rifles ~ flintlocks ~ both real and toy. I think there is a clue to that angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    What's puzzling me more than anything else is the "angle" of the handle/end portion. It just doesn't seem to drop down or look right with the pictures I'm seeing ... and I have been looking at pistols ~ rifles ~ flintlocks ~ both real and toy. I think there is a clue to that angle.

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    It does seem to be a rather odd angle... Fits real comfortable in the hand however.

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    What if portions of it were corroded away as illustrated below on the ...

    Hubley Midget Flintlock Cap Gun? (and if not this particular cap gun, something similar to it?)(or possibly a real pistol or rifle part?)

    Link: Vintage Hubley Midget Flintlock Toy Cap Gun (item #1067616, detailed views)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    What if portions of it were corroded away as illustrated below on the ...

    Hubley Midget Flintlock Cap Gun? (and if not this particular cap gun, something similar to it?)(and/or possibly a real pistol or rifle part?)

    Link: Vintage Hubley Midget Flintlock Toy Cap Gun (item #1067616, detailed views)

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    Could very well be... I will illustrate something that I see when I am holding it that may not be so apparent in the pics...
    I have put an outline of where it seems that wooden grips of some type once were... I think that what we are looking at is minus some wood furniture for sure... Disregard the circle... It is just circling where the trigger sear comes up to the frame...

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    Here's what is described as a portion of a dug flintlock boot pistol. This picture was difficult to find as are others like it showing only the metal parts of a pistol or rifle. I decided to post it for eximination as I am still leaning toward Allen's suggestion of the item being some type boot pistol, but not necessarily this particular one.

    I have also been looking for diagrams/drawings of various pistol and rifle parts, but those are difficult to find as well.


    Link: CampSite Artifacts *

    What I like best about Boot Pistols is the size and shape of the trigger guards.

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    PS ~

    I suppose everyone knows that a true gun expert is going to come along eventually and identify this thing on the spot. But its fun in the meantime to see if we can identify it before that happens.

    The types of diagrams I'm looking for would be like the ones shown on the following website, but preferably diagrams of mostly Civil War era pistols and rifles. If someone know of such a site, please post it.

    Link: Just click on the blue listings ... http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/exploded.htm

    Thanks.

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    I like the Hubley midget idea because the barrel appears to be a seperate piece. It could be a similar style toy gun with plastic grips perhaps? Whatever it is we need to concentrate the search on similar type of removable barrel. Its not a screw on barrel. It may even be a rifle.
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    Please correct me if you think I'm wrong in my assumption, but I believe most of us will agree that whatever it is ~ real or toy ~ pistol or rifle, that it most likely did not have a cylinder, which for me narrows it down to one of two possible categories ...


    1. Single shot pistol (flintlock / boot type).

    or

    2. Rifle part (with seemingly endless types).

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    My first though just looking at the pics was a trigger assembly from an old shotgun. It would be a big help if it were cleaned up and we could see any screw holes or pin holes that would have mounted it to whatever gun it came from. That would also help clarify what's going on in the grip area too.
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    I'm still looking for and at diagrams showing the internal workings of various pistols - rifles - and also shot guns as Nola suggested. I'm no gun expert, but based on the example diagrams below, I can't help but wonder if so many internal moving parts could corrode together and become a single rusted clump as they appear to be on SMRH's item? Or is the rusted clump just the portion that went below the moving parts?


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    This is not from a real firearm. If it were, the pieces would be of brass,or at very least a better quality steel.
    You can tell from the oxidation of the metal that it is a poor quality steel. That and the pinned nature of the trigger guard as well as the trigger profile lead me to believe that this is from a replica or toy.
    Some of these factors would have been incorporated into real firearms,yes.
    But the combination of factors and preponderance of evidence says it is a replica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Please correct me if you think I'm wrong in my assumption, but I believe most of us will agree that whatever it is ~ real or toy ~ pistol or rifle, that it most likely did not have a cylinder, which for me narrows it down to one of two possible categories ...


    1. Single shot pistol (flintlock / boot type).

    or

    2. Rifle part (with seemingly endless types).

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    Yes I think this is true BUT the barrel sits on an iron bedding assembly and not on wood like most modern rifles and flintlocks. I think its a toy very similar to the ones posted (Johnnies Little Gun and Hubley Midget)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    I'm still looking for and at diagrams showing the internal workings of various pistols - rifles - and also shot guns as Nola suggested. I'm no gun expert, but based on the example diagrams below, I can't help but wonder if so many internal moving parts could corrode together and become a single rusted clump as they appear to be on SMRH's item? Or is the rusted clump just the portion that went below the moving parts?


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    In both the firearms pictured, the missing barrel sits on wood like modern rifles. We are looking for something unique where the barrel sits in an iron bedding.
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    I agree!

    I'm definitely leaning towards single shot flintlock-type pistol, but I'm still confused as to whether its real or a toy? I think the enlarged picture below is worthy of closer inspection. Notice how it flares out or has a nub at the bottom. Also notice how there appears to be a groove/channel running along the so called barrel part/base.

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    The nub at the bottom is because the wood/plastic/ivory grips are missing. Note the screw hole in other pic. You have drawn in the grips with your red lines. But yes I agree a good clue.

    The channel groove is to seat the barrel and keep it in place. My muzzleloader rifle has these grooves in the bedding but its wood not iron. This type of iron bedding is very unique and I have not seen an example of this posted yet except in the toys.
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Apr 14, 2012 at 03:05 PM.

 

 
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