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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by skite View Post
    I'm posting new images as requested showing close ups of the bottle. Thanks!Attachment 629543Attachment 629544Attachment 629545

    These pictures definitely look SCA to me. If so ... Pre WWI

    Skite ~

    Please compare your bottle to this simple check-list and it should tell you a lot more about it. Based on what I can ascertain so far, it appears to be a "teens" whiskey bottle and (in mint condition) worth maybe $10.00. Without identifying embossing to tell us who used it, most collectors would not be too interested in it except maybe as a window show piece.

    But still a nice find and a keeper.

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    Check List: How to Identify Antique Bottles | eHow.com
    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 04:19 PM.

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  3. #42
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    What is SCA?


    My 100 year old estimate was just a rough guess and was never meant to be taken literally that the bottle is exactly 100 years old. I think it may even be older. We cant see the top seam. MadeiraWineGuide: 41About Old Bottles Archives

  4. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    What is SCA?

    SCA = Sun Colored Amethyst ... Which is an abbreviated collectors term.

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    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 04:56 PM.

  5. #44
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    I think we all now agree with the latest date but what about the earliest possible date? I have it at APPROXIMATELY 1890.

  6. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    SCA = Sun Colered Amethyst ... Which is an abbreviated collectors term.

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    Yes it does kinda look purple. It was under the porch out of the sun. We need an oldest possible date.

  7. #46
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    I dont want to edit. Im not saying its 1890. Im just sayiing that I think the possibility exists. Like I said 1890-1919. Im looking for an earliest possible date on this particular 3 piece mould, possible pre-ABM, SCA whiskey or brandy.

  8. #47
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    I don't see a single bubble in the glass. If other than machine made it really should have at least a few bubbles.


    Machine made + SCA = circa 1910 to 1920

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  9. #48
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    I dont see the Owens ABM suction scar on the bottom. Putting it all together, this bottle is looking more and more like a hand blown and I see no reason why this bottle could not have been blown in the 1890's. If you can find a reason please tell me. I am not always right..

  10. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    I don't see a single bubble in the glass. If other than machine made it really should have at least a few bubbles.


    Machine made + SCA = circa 1910 to 1920

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    Are machine made bottles in 3 part moulds? What if the seam stops before the top?

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    I see BCH is going all out calling in buddies & such.Even After he goes back & changes every post he made to look good.Old tricks bud you can try that on someone else that's not a old member here.I also don't see how you figure just because I like colonial stuff you know more then me about 1900's stuff explain that please?For the poster I sent your picks just now to another forum I've used years ago.They deal with nothing but bottles here's the post & what has already been said in 5 min..........................

    PS...You keep calling me old friend after this started?I'll tell you this friends can disagree but I don't need friends that don't stick to there word.So save the wishy-washy replies and quit the BS.Meaning don't keep changing things for you if you type it leave it.And seems how you want to get so smart & ask me if you need to PM me I'll ask you do you want me to start saving your post so we can see what was really said
    Them Colonials​Can't Hide Nowhere Now!

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    Here's the post..............
    Was Wondering About this Bottle?
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  13. #52
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    I dont see this as proven machine made. I dont think lack of bubbles is proof positive. We need to see the top seam.

  14. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by timekiller View Post
    I see BCH is going all out calling in buddies & such.Even After he goes back & changes every post he made to look good.Old tricks bud you can try that on someone else that's not a old member here.I also don't see how you figure just because I like colonial stuff you know more then me about 1900's stuff explain that please?For the poster I sent your picks just now to another forum I've used years ago.They deal with nothing but bottles here's the post & what has already been said in 5 min..........................

    PS...You keep calling me old friend after this started?I'll tell you this friends can disagree but I don't need friends that don't stick to there word.So save the wishy-washy replies and quit the BS.Meaning don't keep changing things for you if you type it leave it.And seems how you want to get so smart & ask me if you need to PM me I'll ask you do you want me to start saving your post so we can see what was really said
    Wow Im not even going to read past the first line because Im afraid I would get angry. Bob is not my buddy and Im only asking him to make the ID, NOT TAKE SIDES. I really hope other members will express their opinions.

    I realize you are trying to save face but I would suggest in the future to limit your replys to the ID and not the person.

    I never go back later to change something to make myself look good. The edit times are there for all to see. My mistake timekiller I thought you werre an OK guy. Big mistake on my part.

  15. #54
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    Lets cut to the chase. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH MY DATELINE 1890-1919? YES or NO?

  16. #55
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    I NEVER went back on my word. It takes me a long time to edit. My computer breaks down freezes up and crashes so I often post quickly before Im finished typing to save what I typed and look for the pictures and additional research later. The new formatt doesnt help. You can go back timekiller and look at all my edit times and you will not find anything thats editted after another reply. This accusation is complete BS and another one of your attempts to save face by discreditting me. I think I did nothing to deserve such rude treatment. You need to get your act together timekiller, Go back and read. I credit you for not removing all your replys but there was no reason for you to make this ugly. Me and you are on jump street and I will do my best to avoid you from now on.

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    Without examining it personally or some very detailed info and pictures of it, its hard to be 100% sure about anything. I'm not even sure if its a true three-piece-mold. Which isn't necessarily a major factor. But based on what I can see and know about antique bottles, I'd bet my best shirt that the bottle is post 1900.

    1900 earliest to 1920 latest. Thus, I'm giving it a safe ...

    Circa 1905-1915 (Providing I'm correct about the SCA color, which I am assuming it is).

    Three-piece mold liquor bottles were a popular style and manufacturing method into the early 20th century and are shown in catalogs dating until at least 1908.

    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 05:13 PM.

  18. #57
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    I also take the extra time to choose my words very carefully when I realized you were out to discredit me. I dont type very well, often have trouble expressing myself online and I make a lot of typo errors. But I just went back to check. And I can find nowhere were I went back on my word and editted after your replys. Go back and look for yourself. I took the extra time to try to explain all this to you this seems to be just plain meaness on your part timekiller.

    Do whatever you have to do timekiller. I will not let you or anybody else try to intimidate me into making a correct ID.

  19. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    I dont think lack of bubbles is proof positive.
    Big Cy ~

    The lack of bubbles may not date a bottle precicely, but its definitely a major factor! Show me a hand blown bottle that's non-machine made, that doesn't have at least one bubble, and I will send you $20.00. No disrespect intended here whatsoever. I'm just saying if the bottle in question doesn't have at least one bubble, that its machine made ... post/circa 1905 or later.

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    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 05:26 PM.

  20. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Without examining it personally or some very detailed info and pictures of it, its hard to be 100% sure about anything. I'm not even sure if its a true three-piece-mold. Which isn't necessarily a major factor. But based on what I can see and know about antique bottles, I'd bet my best shirt that the bottle is post 1900.

    1900 earliest to 1920 latest. Thus, I'm giving it a safe ...

    Circa 1905-1915 (Providing I'm correct about the SCA color, which I am assuming it is).

    Three-piece mold liquor bottles were a popular style and manufacturing method into the early 20th century and are shown in catalogs dating until at least 1908.

    OK thanks for your honest opinion. I know 3 part molds were used up til 1908 but Im looking for the earliest possible date of this bottle. I still think the possibility exists that this is a pre ABM bottle,. Im not always right but I see no proof that this is OwensABM. Thanks again for your help.

    Im hoping other members will try and help but I have a feeling they are avoiding this thread and I dont blame them.

  21. #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Big Cy ~

    The lack of bubbles may not date a bottle precicely, but it is definitely a major factor! Show me a hand blown bottle that's non-machine made, that doesn't have at least one bubble, and I will send you $20.00.

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    Ill have to dig through my warehouse. I can accept your dateline. Its close to my 100 year range. But what if the seam stops before the top? What if? If this turns out to be handblown, would you expand your dateline?

 

 
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