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  1. #61

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    Looks like someone on another forum dated the bottle much newer.

  2. #62
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    "I will not let you or anybody else try to intimidate me into making a correct ID."

    My earlier quote is wrong but Im afraid to edit. What I meant to say was "I will not let you or anybody else try to intimidate me into not making a correct ID."

    But hey no worry timekiller. I have enough problems and I spend way too much time here trying to teach others. I just needed an excuse to quit TN and you gave it to me. Do I need this?

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyTownsend View Post
    Looks like someone on another forum dated the bottle much newer.
    Yes I read what timekiller posted.
    Quote Originally Posted by timekiller View Post
    Here's the post..............
    Was Wondering About this Bottle?

    I just dont think its true but pictures can be deceiving. I am waiting on a better picture of the seam. Its a very slim possibility but I doubt it. I have no problem with being wrong but someone needs to prove it without a bunch of namecalling and unfounded rude accusations..
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Apr 25, 2012 at 05:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    But what if the seam stops before the top? What if? If this turns out to be handblown, would you expand your dateline?
    Big Cy ~


    Please don't get hung up or confused on the seam issue. Please read the following article and you will understand why I say this. I have communicated numerous times with Bill lockhart, Bill Lindsey, and have personally met Carol Serr, and you can trust their combined knowledge. In my opinion they are the best bottle researchers in the country.

    Seam Article Link: http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/T..._BLockhart.pdf


    Please trust me folks, if the bottle in question is a natural sun colored amethyst and not faked, then it was definitely made prior to about 1920 ... I'll stake my reputation on it!

    SBB
    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 05:50 PM.

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    Skite ~

    Is your bottle Sun Colored Amethyst / Light Purple? Please let me know because my reputation is on the line.

    Thanks a million.

    Sodabottlebob

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    We appear to have different opinions on this corktop whiskey/brandy. At least I think its a cork top and it sure seems to match the earlier cobalt whiskeys posted by timekiller.. What we need to see please is a better pic of the top neck seam or lack of a seam. We need to determine if the bottle is ABM for starters..

    When this post is over you will never see me again posting in any of your threads timekiller. The Colonial comments I made were meant as a compliment to you for your extensive knowlege...

  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Big Cy ~


    Please don't get hung up or confused on the seam issue. Please read the following article and you will understand why I say this. I have communicated numerous times with Bill lockhart, Bill Lindsey, and have personally met Carol Serr, and you can trust their combined knowledge. In my opinion they are the best bottle researchers in the country.

    Seam Article Link: http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/T..._BLockhart.pdf


    Please trust me folks, if the bottle in question is a natural sun colored amethyst and not faked, then it was definitely made prior to about 1920 ... I'll stake my reputation on it!

    SBB
    OK ill read it but you didnt answer my question. If this bottle is hand blown could it be 1890? Yes or No?

    I dont just recognize a bottle by the side seam Bob. A seam around the circumference will also signify ABM..

  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Skite ~

    Is your bottle Sun Colored Amethyst / Light Purple? Please let me know because my reputation is on the line.

    Thanks a million.

    Sodabottlebob

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    LOL

    Bob I found the design in my 1905 Illinois Glass Manufacturers book. Did you see the pic I posted? I also have a warehouse full of them. Even timekiller posted old matching corktop whiskeys. Even if this cork top bottle was made into the 1960's, I dont see how we can rule out or prove that its not 1915.

    Thanks for keeping the discussion cordial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigcypresshunter View Post
    OK ill read it but you didnt answer my question. If this bottle is hand blown could it be 1890? Yes or No?
    Typically the so called "Machine Age" of bottle making started in ernest around 1910-1915. But some glass plants continued making hand blown bottles well into the teens and early 1920s. Machines were super expensive and it took some makers time to make the transition. So to answer your question, of course if it was made in a mold it could date to as early as 1890. But even with that said, I'm sticking with circa 1905-1915 ... but only if it is a true SCA and doesn't have any bubbles. And I'm hoping Skite can answer that.


    But if it has a jillion bubbles, then its a whole new ball game for me!

    SBB
    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 06:22 PM.

  10. #70
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    The purpose of this forum is not to make anyone look good or to show anybody up. The purpose has always been to make the correct ID and I have no problem whatsoever if Im wrong. I also will NOT go back and edit my posts as I was so rudely accused of. I think my record in the past speaks for itself and I have previously had no problem with timekiller whatsoever until now.

    I asked you to come here not as a friend Bob but as an experienced bottle collector. We need to make the correct ID because everyone who visits the house will be reading it. The bottle was found here under a porch and will be displayed. Van Buren

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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    So to answer your question, of course if it was made in a mold it could date to as early as 1890. But even with that said, I'm sticking with circa 1905-1915 ... but only if it is a true SCA and doesn't have any bubbles. And I'm hoping Skite can answer that.


    But if it has a jillion bubbles, then its a whole new ball game for me!

    SBB
    OK thanks. As far as the bubbles, I really cant tell by the pic. As far as the side seam or circumference seam, we need a better pic. I agree with you on the manganese but pics can be deceiving. It appears to me to be a 3 part mould but I dont know if they were made in the 1960's. All my 3 part moulds are "old" (1800's-1910) But I imagine there are exceptions. When did they start screw top whiskeys?

  12. #72
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    I gotta go but Im sure the ugliness of this thread is not over. We should both be ashamed of ourselves timekiller. There are no winners here..

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    Big Cy ~

    For me it all hinges on Skite's response to whether the bottle is a natural SCA. If it is, then I'd say its 99.99999% certain to have been made prior to 1920. In other words ...

    1. SCA = Pre 1920
    2. Clear/No Bubbles = Post 1920
    3. SCA or Clear but with "lots of bubbles" = Pre 1920


    As for dating it by the seams or anything else, I can't comment on that aspect without seeing it personally or detailed information and/or better pictures. My observations and opinions are based on the current pics and info only.


    SBB
    Last edited by SODABOTTLEBOB; Apr 25, 2012 at 07:00 PM.

  14. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Big Cy ~


    Please don't get hung up or confused on the seam issue. Please read the following article and you will understand why I say this. I have communicated numerous times with Bill lockhart, Bill Lindsey, and have personally met Carol Serr, and you can trust their combined knowledge. In my opinion they are the best bottle researchers in the country.

    Seam Article Link: http://www.sha.org/bottle/pdffiles/T..._BLockhart.pdf


    SBB
    I read the link just now its very good. This thread is already too long for the average reader to read. I guess I was trying to simplify it. I should not have posted the bottle seam dateline. It was just meant to give the OP a very general idea of ABM or not.

    We need to take all the factors into play. Off the top of my head:

    1-cork or screw top
    2-bubbles
    3-bottom markings
    4- manganese
    5- embossing
    6- ABM or hand blown
    a- side seams and circumference ring
    b-3 part mould
    c- Owens mark

  15. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    Big Cy ~

    For me it all hinges on Skite's response to whether the bottle is a natural SCA. If it is, then I'd say its 99.99999% certain to have been made prior to 1920. In other words ...

    1. SCA = Pre 1920
    2. Clear/No Bubbles = Post 1920
    3. SCA or Clear but with "lots of bubbles" = Pre 1920


    As for dating it by the seams or anything else, I can't comment on that aspect without seeing it personally or detailed information and/or better pictures. I'm going on what I know based on the current pics and info.


    SBB
    OK but he may not be able to tell you. All I was ever trying to say, without better pics, and a possible 3 part mould, the possibility of an 1890 bottle exists. Thats why I expanded my dateline. I never said it was 1890. At least I dont believe I did. The bubbles may be hard to see but then again maybe not..

    If its post 1920, I think it has to be post 1932ish after prohibition which was timekillers original dateline. How could someone prove a bottle is 1940-60 if its identical to that made in 1920?
    Last edited by Bigcypresshunter; Apr 25, 2012 at 07:09 PM.

 

 
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