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  1. #21
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    PS ~

    Ty Cobb has a distinctive nose and oval shaped ears. Do you think the guy's nose and ears in my photo are the same?

    SBB

    Ty Cobb's Nose and Ears 1913.

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    hi bob i lightened up the img,his ear is more round than mine and most people i know
    looks like a logo on his boot,ill add to the img GE list,as time allows,i think the GE,can
    prob be solved,though it may take sometime,and that might lead to the Bplayer hopefully
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    found an img of a offset GE
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Size:  27.0 KBQuick Description: This wooden grain elevator is at the south end of Main St on the east side of Elm Creek, Manitoba
    Grain Elevator - Elm Creek MB - Grain Elevators on Waymarking.com
    a list of imgs of GEs
    bruce selyem country grain elevator photographs - links
    Grain Elevator Types 1: Pre- and Early (IHS Built Environment Typology)

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    cw0909 ~

    Thank you for taking the time to help out with this baffling quandry. My head is spinning with all of the new information.

    I did notice the Logo (or whatever that is on his stocking) but so far have not been able to make sense of it or find anything that matches. However, it is a great clue and one in which I intend to pursue closer. Below are some links to one of the websites I have been looking at that list just about every baseball logo ever conceived. Check it out. Maybe you or someone else can find some possibles.

    By the way, I have also researched "Baseball Stockings" in general, and as yet have not found any examples of logos being applied to or stitched on them. But I'm still looking. If it is a logo and it can be identified, then it will be a giant leap forward.

    I'm beginning to think that identifying the Grain Elevator will eventually lead to solving the Who, What, Where and When of the photograph.

    American League:
    AL Logos - American League Logos - Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Page - SportsLogos.Net

    National League:
    NL Logos - National League Logos - Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Page - SportsLogos.Net

    All Leagues - Including Minors and Foreign:
    Baseball Logos - Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Page - SportsLogos.Net


    Thanks again to all.

    Bob
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  5. #24
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    PS ~

    Regarding the so called logo on the stocking, I'm sure we all agree that it's a Circle shape. So I'd say anything other than a circle-shape can be eliminated.

    SBB

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    PS ~ PS

    Here's a sketch I did of what the stocking logo looks like to me. Hopefully it will lead to something. Click on cw0909's cropped image for a closer look.

    SBB

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  7. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by SODABOTTLEBOB View Post
    PS ~

    Regarding the so called logo on the stocking, I'm sure we all agree that it's a Circle shape. So I'd say anything other than a circle-shape can be eliminated.

    SBB
    Bob,

    Keep in mind that it could be a hole. Playing ball you can get a hole in your stocking - darn it!

    DCMatt
    While I have aimed in my postings to be irenic and conciliatory, rather than polemic, I have yet endeavored to set forth the
    truth, let it favor or impugn whom it might. Any notice of misrepresentations or mistakes occurring in these prose will be most thankfully received
    by the author.

  8. #27
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    PS~PS~PS

    "Maybe" its a big C but the fabric is wrinkled and we can't see the opened-end part on the right side. But the only big C I was able to find that had a "solid blob" in the center was ...

    Chicago Cubs ~ 1916

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  9. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCMatt View Post
    Bob,

    Keep in mind that it could be a hole.
    Matt ~

    You're probably right. Plus, I'm beginning to think I have "holes" in my head. (Lol)

    Thanks.

    Bob

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    PS~PS~PS~PS

    Unless someone has anything new to add, and after carefull examination of all the evidence, I'm convinced that the only way to possibly identify the player is to identify the grain elevator first. So with that said, I'm now focusing 100% of my attention to the elevator. If it's still standing or a picture was ever taken of it, I hope to find.

    SBB

  11. #30
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    I may be wrong but isnt Cobb batting left? Your photo has a righty...I think..lol
    John 3:16

  12. #31
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    Never mind....he batted left and threw right..lol
    John 3:16

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    Speaking of Grain Elevetors, my focus will be with those that have an "Offset Copula," which is what the upper portion of the structure is called. I will also be looking for "Squat Copulas" vs "Tall Copulas." I have already discovered that the majority of them have "Tall" ones. The copula in the photograph is "Offset and Squat."

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    Types of Elevators:

    Despite the CPR's demand for standard elevators, there was considerable variation in profile, height and storage capacity of the earliest elevators, especially in Manitoba. The first grain elevator, a wooden, silo-like building, was constructed in 1879 by William Hespeler at Niverville. A more familiar form made its appearance in 1881 at Gretna when Ogilvie Milling Company built a wooden, square, 25 000-bushel elevator. While companies like Ogilvie preferred an elevator with a pyramidal roof and a centrally located pyramidal-roofed cupola, others opted for an offset cupola. Yet other companies chose a gable roof with a gable-roofed cupola. Although some companies in Saskatchewan and Alberta preferred a pyramidal- roofed elevator and cupola, by the 1920s most companies were building the standard, or traditional, 30 - 40 000-bushel elevator with a gable roof and a gable-roofed cupola. Dimensions varied according to bushel capacity but were typically 33 x 32 feet, which gave the elevator a height of more than 80 feet. No other building dominated the skyline as did the elevator.

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    I realize the picture below is not of the elevator in question. I'm only posting it as a possible clue. The elevator pictured is/was located in Linzburg, Illinois and, if nothing else, establishes that elevators with squat and offset copulas can be found and did exist at some point in the midwest. But finding the exact one will be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (Pun intended).

    SBB


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    I don't want to jump the gun here, and won't. Nor do I intend to post a picture of every grain elevator I find which looks similar. However, I just gotta say that Illinois and Indiana are looking like very strong candidates. I've already found enough elevator pictures from those two states to fully establish that that form of structure was definitely popular there in the early part of the 20th century. So much so in fact, that I'm going to switch gears for the time being and see what I can find related to Illinois and Indiana baseball ~ Major/Minor/Farm/Bush/Training ~ Anything and everything.

    Thanks for allowing me to indulge myself here. It's what I do best!

    SBB

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    I realize this isn't an exact match, but imagine what this elevator might look like if viewed from the opposite side beyond the trees. And its taller than it looks - the Pepsi machine in front is at least 6' foot high. I estimate the entire structure to be about 70' feet high. This is typical of what I have been seeing from Indiana and Illinois.

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    Hobbs, Indiana.

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    Believe it or not there are actually people who collect pictures of old grain elevators. I sent inquiries to several of them and just received this reply from a guy named Bruce.

    Hi Bob,

    Great old photo. I suspect your thinking of the midwest around 1910 for the photo is close. The style of the elevators is definitely more midwest than west but there's no way to be specific, even specific enough to state level. About that time there were probably close to 20,000 elevators in the U.S., most of them in the midwest. I have acquired some old grain elevator photos that all I can do in my cataloging is call them "unidentified." That's not real satisfying but sometimes I have to accept that status. Wish I could be of more help ...

    Best wishes,

    Bruce



    Well, at least I know what I'm up against now. I only have about 19,999 more pictures to look at. No problem! It will only take me the rest of my life. But I'm not giving up or allowing it to discourage me. Somebody out there probably sees that old elevator every day. So all I have to do now is find that "one" person.

    SBB

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    Here's another reply I received ...

    Bob,

    I have not photographed anything in Illinois or Indiana. Looking at your images, I couldn't pin point where this elevator was located. I'm sorry that I am not much help. I am wondering if the photo isn't from the 1920's or 1930's? The way the elevator is constructed, it does not appear that it was built around 1900 or even 1910. It's the headhouse that leads me thinking that it was built later. Plus, the corrugated siding is on it, too. Most elevators that were built during the period of 1900-1920 were built from wood with no siding applied to the wood, like they did in later years. Give me some more time to think about this. On the down side, that elevator is probably not standing today. It probably has either been torn down or it burnt.

    I am writing a friend of mine. I will see what he says about when corrugated siding was first used on elevators. I will send your e-mail to him. Maybe he has some ideas. I wish I could have given you a better idea.

    Regards,

    Gary

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    I'm not sure when metal siding was first used on grain elevators, but I did find this ...

    Corrugated Galvanized Iron (CGI) was invented in the 1820s in Britain by Henry Palmer.

    Wrought iron CGI was gradually replaced by mild steel from around the 1890s.

    Corrugated galvanised iron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    corrugated tin roofing

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    possibly fogured out location of photo

    I beleive the picture was taken in Chioko, Minnesota.

    A small city, but an important stop on the Great Northern Railway. During the era your picture was taken, most teams traveled by train, so Chokio seems like a good possibility. The town has a rich baseball heritage and I've seen at least 5 different grain elevators in pictures of Chokio, and the train station was located night next to the elevators.

    Old Chokio, MN photos -----here's a pic of the 1937 Chokio baseball team. Note the player on the top row right- he's wearing a belt and also has the same style cap, so these types of uniforms were worn at least up until the 1930s at a amateur or high school level.

    Old Chokio, MN photos -----here's a picture of 5 grain elevators in a row in Chokio...notice that each one is in a different shape. In your picture, there appears to be a second elevator of a different shape to the right of the main elevator. In your picture, the main elevator is a lighter color to the elevator on the right. If you look closely at the picture of Chokio's elevators, at the very end is a light elevator standing next to a darker elevator.

    In the below picture, you'll see a modern view of one of the elevators in Chokio, flanked by trees which look to be of the same species as the trees in the baseball pic. Also, if you look to the left of the main elevator in the baseball pic, in the background there appears to be the same type of short, squat storage silo in the background, like in the modern pic. In the modern pic, you'll also notice that to the right there is a large empty field (ideal for baseball).


    Google Image Result for http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/60930454.jpg


    But the MOST convincing evidence can be found by looking at a satellite map of Chokio (Panoramio - Photo of Chokio Grain Elevator). If you look at the map, you'll see that First Ave. runs along the grain elevators, and directly below the elevators, a BASEBALL FIELD can be found on Second Avenue, about 100 yards or so from the elevators, just like in the baseball pic.

    By comparing all of these locations, the baseball player in your picture would be standing just beyond the right field fence of the Chioko baseball field, where the white house in the satellite image currently stands. This angle would justify the two different colored grain elevators in the baseball pic and the short silo. If my theory is correct, the photographer would be shooting the picture facing north (north by northeast, to be exact). Since baseball games and practices are often late afternoon affairs, and since the sun sets in the west, this explains the shadow to the right of the ballplayer.

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    zendog54 ~

    I see some of what you mentioned, but will need more time to digest everything. Take a look at the picture below and, if possible, save it and then paint X's or reference numbers on the exact locations you are referring to. I see the modern baseball field to the southwest between 3rd and 4th Ave, but I'm not sure what you are referring to as a baseball field on 2nd Ave.

    Thanks.

    SBB

    Northwest Corner

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