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    Eagle Breast Plate filling or reproduction?

    found this today and just need some verification. is this the solder filling of a eagle breast plate? (it's hard, can't scratch it with my nail)

    when they poured the solder into the back of the brass plate did they leave perfect impressions like this?

    can't see any markings on the back. The hooks protrude though the face as you can see, so I don't think it's an earlier variety.

    Thanks for any help.
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    That's a good one .. Congratulations on the find.
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    very cool!!How would you surmise it came to develop that crescent void?
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    BobinSouthVA wrote:
    > Is this the solder filling of a eagle breast plate? (it's hard, can't scratch it with my nail)

    YWell... if you are absolutely certain that what you are seeing isn't greyish-brownish CONCRETION of the plate's brass front... then yes, definitely it is the solder filling from the plate's back.

    For anybody here who doesn't already know... although most relic-diggers and collectors call these a "lead filled" plate, the filling in Originals of these breastplates (and boxplates, and belt-buckles) was indeed solder, not lead. Modern-made Reproductions of them are filled with lead -- which is a softer metal than solder, and that is an important ID-clue for telling a Repro from an Original.

    > When they poured the solder into the back of the brass plate did they leave perfect impressions like this?

    Yes. The reason is the the plate's thin sheetbrass front was stamped simultaneously with both a positive die and a negative die. That produces an indented "reverse image" on the back of the sheetbrass. So the molten fillermetal takes the shape of the indented back, like when in my childhood my mom would "cast" Jello in a mold.

    > Can't see any markings on the back. The hooks protrude though the face as you can see, so I don't think it's an earlier variety.

    What you are seeing is not the end of the iron wire hooks/loops protruding through the filler-metal's face... it is a "rust-blister" which ruptured through the filler metal. The same thing happened sometimes even when the sheetbrass front is not missing from the plate. The brass front will show rust-blister eruptions through the brass, coming from the iron wire hooks/loops in the plate's back. I've dug quite a few solder-filled eagle breastplates (and US Oval boxplates) with rust-blisters on their brass front here in Virginia.
    Last edited by TheCannonballGuy; Oct 22, 2013 at 10:48 PM. Reason: Clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuger View Post
    very cool!!How would you surmise it came to develop that crescent void?
    Outer edge of a bullet, which also caused the brass to separate from the lead. Of course it's just a swag, but good as any other I can think of.
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    Kuger wrote:
    > How would you surmise it came to develop that crescent void?

    I'm quite certain it's not a void which formed when the molten filler-metal was poured into the plate's brass front. It was caused by either a plow-strike or the soldier carved on the filler-metal when it fell out of the plate's brass front. I think the latter is more likely.
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    Thanks CBG

    The front is certainly missing the plate. no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy View Post
    Kuger wrote:
    > How would you surmise it came to develop that crescent void?

    I'm quite certain it's not a void which formed when the molten filler-metal was poured into the plate's brass front. It was caused by either a plow-strike or the soldier carved on the filler-metal when it fell out of the plate's brass front. I think the latter is more likely.
    ...a bullet(large ball)strike sounds much mo betta!!
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