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  1. #421
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    Any new ideas places to look into?
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    I'd still call it a Manitou. Mainly to keep me from forgetting about it. Was my first impression ,though too out of context to be native crafted from bronze. Inspired by natives? , Maybe. The water serpent. Or whatever the spirit is that stirs up water unexpectedly.

    (Check out an Arial shot of Manitou Island too if you're bored. Check its shape. Add a couple lengths to it's blunt "forks"...)

    I mentioned before of some places /folks to consult.
    Near me today I'd hit the college of art and design.

    If you are going to keep researching (suggesting here, not telling you) treat it like it is an object I hold that you are vaguely interested in. With no pretense.

    Keep at it.

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    Kudos on the good pics. Not sure what it is, but if you want I can send them to some archealogists to get their opinion. Just let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invent4hir View Post
    Kudos on the good pics. Not sure what it is, but if you want I can send them to some archealogists to get their opinion. Just let me know.
    Yes please. I have a picture of the composition on here too. Thanks for the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintberrycrunch View Post
    Yes please. I have a picture of the composition on here too. Thanks for the help
    Mint, ok will send tomorrow. Given their workload it might take a week to hear back.
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    E-mail and pics sent to 3 archaeologists in Ohio. One is a curator at the Ohio History Connection, the second works for a natural history organization, and the third a college professor who has conducted a lot of field excavations. Will post their replies as I get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invent4hir View Post
    E-mail and pics sent to 3 archaeologists in Ohio. One is a curator at the Ohio History Connection, the second works for a natural history organization, and the third a college professor who has conducted a lot of field excavations. Will post their replies as I get them.
    Sweet ty I hope they can help with the mystery I look forward to hearing back thanks again

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    So glad you are still on the hunt for answers.
    Sorry, I wish I coulkd help and I hope someone out there can.
    Good luck...

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    Update: Curator at the Ohio History Connection doesn't know and is waiting to hear back from a few colleagues. The college professor is unsure of the purpose. Keep fingers crossed.

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    It seems a little too small to be a bottle opener and it probably pre-dates crown caps. I have seen objects like this made for smoking short cigars. The handle wouldn't go into the palm but between the thumb and forefinger or knuckle.
    Phil

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    Mint, below is the response from the Curator at the Ohio History Connection. Using logic he did narrow the search, but a positive ID has thus far eluded him and his colleagues. If you haven't done so already I recommend showing it to one or more Archeologists/Anthropologists who are familiar with the mounds and that area of the state to get their input. Better yet, invite them to the spot where you found it, as seeing the location first hand will help them re-construct the context that may mean the difference between IDing the artifact and not. Good luck.

    "Being as it appears of cast brass, as it so appears, it is a post-contact era piece. Copper materials as associated with Michigan mound culture would have greater degrading due to reaction with water or air and be pitted. The green oxidation here indicates a relatively high copper content, but being so well preserved it is assuredly brass and with a reasonable amount of nickel. Most unfortunately, as a surface find, and a direct lacking archaeological (stratigraphic) context, it will remain a mystery unsolved. Unless John Schweikart here is correct and it is a decorative pull that has parallels elsewhere.

    If it exhibits use, as say the open end shows some use pattern, it might be an early trade item stylized to the benefit of a Native trade partner. Otherwise I could not venture to say. The fact it’s found in association with a bottle (etc?) dump (?) also indicates a likely historic association. Heck of a thing to throw away but I’ve seen many such (“they threw that away?”) examples."

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    It's a cue stick stabilizer. Or at least you could use it for that.
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    If It Is Bronze...It Could Be Roman?

    What it may be...Is a Roman Bronze...Strap End?

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    Quote Originally Posted by invent4hir View Post
    Mint, below is the response from the Curator at the Ohio History Connection. Using logic he did narrow the search, but a positive ID has thus far eluded him and his colleagues. If you haven't done so already I recommend showing it to one or more Archeologists/Anthropologists who are familiar with the mounds and that area of the state to get their input. Better yet, invite them to the spot where you found it, as seeing the location first hand will help them re-construct the context that may mean the difference between IDing the artifact and not. Good luck.

    "Being as it appears of cast brass, as it so appears, it is a post-contact era piece. Copper materials as associated with Michigan mound culture would have greater degrading due to reaction with water or air and be pitted. The green oxidation here indicates a relatively high copper content, but being so well preserved it is assuredly brass and with a reasonable amount of nickel. Most unfortunately, as a surface find, and a direct lacking archaeological (stratigraphic) context, it will remain a mystery unsolved. Unless John Schweikart here is correct and it is a decorative pull that has parallels elsewhere.

    If it exhibits use, as say the open end shows some use pattern, it might be an early trade item stylized to the benefit of a Native trade partner. Otherwise I could not venture to say. The fact it’s found in association with a bottle (etc?) dump (?) also indicates a likely historic association. Heck of a thing to throw away but I’ve seen many such (“they threw that away?”) examples."
    no nickel here’s the composition
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    These Percentages...Appear To Be Bang On...For 1st Century Composite...Roman Bronze!

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    Roman Bronze

    Number of samples 1st century 191

    Zn (Zinc)...10%... Sn (Tin)...4-2%... Pb (Lead)...2-2%... Cu (Copper)...Balance
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