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    pewter marked 'sn'

    Found this today at a site that has yielded colonial items: buttons, musketballs, later 1700s coins, and a couple buckle fragments.

    This item has me stumped.Click image for larger version. 

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    It distinctly bears the lower-case letters 's' 'n', is thin and somewhat brittle. You see from the pic that in handling out of the ground it began to fragment.

    Because of its shape I don't think this was part of something larger.

    Ideas?
    Last edited by McCDig; Dec 03, 2017 at 08:21 PM.
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    US General Service button. War of 1812 period. Should be more late colonial early 19th century on the site. Watch for those pesky Spanish silvers.

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    Nice old US button! I'd hit that area with a fine toothed comb.
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    Thanks Smokey! We all just had a great laugh here around the dining room table as I realized that I was looking at it upside down! Great fun and we appreciate you solving this "mystery". I made it harder than it had to be.
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    Thanks Tony! Appreciate your input. Very interesting site. More to come.
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    Believe it or not, I have never dug one of these. Dug two Confederate block "I"'s yesterday, one really busted up, but almost no War of 1812 period buttons. Only two ever.
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    Thought you'd like to see the button without having to turn your computer upside down.
    Click image for larger version. 

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    Last edited by McCDig; Dec 03, 2017 at 09:44 PM.
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    Wow, I was going to turn the computer upside down. I spray mine with clean polyurethane and blot it quickly to get off the excess. I have had buttons hold up 25 years doing that.
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    Thanks for the intel on preservation.
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    Seeing what appears to be a rust blister on the disc's front, and seeing the first photo showing what seems to be the color of brass, I'm wondering if it isn't a pre-civil-war US horseharness rosette, rather than a pewter US button. Also, the ruler in your photo shows your US-marked disc is at LEAST 1-&-1/8th-inch (about 28mm) in diameter, whereas the pewter US buttons are only 18-to-20mm in diameter. The size in particular is pretty convincing that it is a US rosette. So I must ask, does it have a thread-loop on the back, or the broken-off remnant of one? More photos, showing the back, please.
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    Cannonballguy has a good point. What does the back look like?
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    It's definitely a rosette, see the bulge on the front on the top above the US, that's where the rust has had a reaction from the iron post on the back.

    I've never seen this rosette style but I'm pretty confident on the back you'll find evidence where iron posts were.
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    Thank you. Photo of back is on the way. Back seems to have no indication of cast line or loop.
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    Here are a number of back photos. Not sure these shed any further light on the id. Top of back corresponds to iron stain at top of obverse views.
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    The new photos confirm it is a US horse-harness rosette. Since Gsxraddict says he hasn't seen this type before, here are some photos showing the front and back of one in somewhat better condition. Rust-blisters are common on this type, because the stamped-brass "shell" front was thin and the iron wire attachments corrode through it easily. As I mentioned previously, this type is pre-civil-war. One has been found at an 1830s/40s US Dragoons ("Heavy Cavalry") site with eagle-D buttons in Oklahoma. See the photos at:
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    This type has also been found occasionally at early-civil-war (1861-63) sites here in Virginia.
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    Last edited by TheCannonballGuy; Dec 03, 2017 at 11:57 PM. Reason: Typing-error correction.
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