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    Got to get it out. Congrats !! Might be somthing banner worthy if its legitimate !! Awsome score if its real. Looking good so far !!
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    Any update?
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    European Hunting Sword ? Very nice !
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    If I can not read something engraved with such a smooth surface then I would place a thin paper over it and shade the paper with a pencil.

    Seen many and have known a few who collected the aristocrat swords, forester cutlass and hunter swords. But the largest collection I have seen is held at the Natural History Museum in Mainz. I added a link, feel free to contact them with your pictures.

    But come back and tell us what you got if you contact them.

    Landeshauptstadt Mainz: Portal page | Homepage
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    Is the scabbard leather? Germany,Russia possibly French or Spain. and other countries made these hunting swords.My guess is Spain. Yours is a very nice hunting hanger style. I would go very slow on any restoration if any. Here is a company you might shoot pictures to. I have done business with them in the past and consider them experts in edged weapons from all countries.

    https://www.michaeldlong.com/default.aspx
    You may contact them by e-mail

    May also be a forestry sword ?

    https://www.michaeldlong.com/Catalog...rshfanger.aspx
    Last edited by Tnmountains; Dec 11, 2017 at 06:48 PM.
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    Looks like "marr & third" to me.... the writing under that will be critical to getting it figured out. My impression is that it's a 19th century German style hunting sword.... I think what we are seeing on the scabbard is a presentation, rather than a maker though.

    What I would do.... I would slowly coat the leather with mink oil using a soft brush and gently heat it with a hair dryer to help it soak in. Keep doing this until the leather is to a point where it seems less likely to break apart before trying to gently slide the blade out. I would imagine there will be some engraving on the blade which could be pretty fancy and also tell us more about it. The makers name will be at the base of the blade at the cross guard.

    When you try to remove the blade from the scabbard.... keep the scabbard on a flat surface and completely supported to have less chance of damage... It may break anyway, no matter how careful you are but the more you support it the better. Take your time and go easy on it
    Last edited by NOLA_Ken; Dec 11, 2017 at 11:29 PM.
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    Does this help
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    I'm hoping for an update!!!!
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    You have it in hand and should be able to read it. I agree that is the presentation we are trying to read. The blade has the makers mark and it may be a fine engraved blade as stated by Nola -Ken. Clock is ticking. If the scabbard is that far gone and not restorable with say mink oil you do not have much to loose if it is not functional for its intended purpose which is the sheath the blade.
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    Congrats! Thats an early christmas present!
    It's a so called Hirschfaenger and i wouldn't wonder if the blade has a Solingen makers mark. So you're right with hunting sword. The design could be an indicator of a 1700 Hirschfaenger. Sheat is most likely leather covered wood and will break when you remove the blade. I wouldn't care. It can be restored with the important parts still there.
    Do a google search for Hirschfanger or Hirschfaenger.
    Here's just an example:
    Fricker Historische Waffen - Jagdwaffen wie Hirschfänger, Jagdplaute, Sauspieß, Sauschwert sowie Jagdspieß und Praxe - antike, alte
    Fricker Historische Waffen - Jagdwaffen wie Hirschfänger, Jagdplaute, Sauspieß, Sauschwert sowie Jagdspieß und Praxe - antike, alte
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westfront View Post
    Congrats! Thats an early christmas present!
    It's a so called Hirschfaenger and i wouldn't wonder if the blade has a Solingen makers mark. So you're right with hunting sword. The design could be an indicator of a 1700 Hirschfaenger. Sheat is most likely leather covered wood and will break when you remove the blade. I wouldn't care. It can be restored with the important parts still there.
    Do a google search for Hirschfanger or Hirschfaenger.
    Here's just an example:
    Fricker Historische Waffen - Jagdwaffen wie Hirschfänger, Jagdplaute, Sauspieß, Sauschwert sowie Jagdspieß und Praxe - antike, alte
    Fricker Historische Waffen - Jagdwaffen wie Hirschfänger, Jagdplaute, Sauspieß, Sauschwert sowie Jagdspieß und Praxe - antike, alte
    You just did a Mic Drop with that one. Jürgen Fricker, and even has his email address listed too.

    nice one.
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    Wow, everyone on this site is SO HELPFUL! I appreciate all of your suggestions more than you can imagine, and the more time I spend around artifacts the more I learn,...and this is a process that never ends! The update is that on Thursday I am traveling to Saint Augustine to visit a friend who owns a treasure shops and does restorations and salvaging of shipwrecked artifacts to see if he can help. I do not trust myself to try and remove the blade without damaging it. I will keep everyone updated once I find out more. Happy holidays everyone!
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