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  1. #1

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    Couple more for the experts

    I have found a couple finds that I haven't been able to id completely. The first is what I can only figure to be part of some military uniform, a buckle for suspenders or something along those lines. I found it in two pieces not far from each other and can only guess it was broken by a dozer while the dirt road I found it in was built. I've never seen one quite like it but honestly I haven't been finding many leads on what it is to begin with. It does appear to have red paint here and there in the low spots, not sure if it was all red but it definitely had some on it in places.
    The second is the button, I've found examples that were very similar but not exactly the same therefore I haven't came to any definite conclusion as to its age and how it was used. These were both found in gold country California, the dime is for size reference only. Click image for larger version. 

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    The eagle piece is half of a tongue and wreath buckle. I'll defer to the experts here about it's age. The eagle should be rotated 90 degrees so it is vertical. The button is from about 1857 and is a general service one. William Lang had an army contract on April 14, 1857 for 1,050 gross coat buttons and 1,250 gross vest buttons; apparently the eagle buttons with Lang's b/m are from this contract.
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    Thank you!! I didn't think the button was quite that old but I'm glad it is. I would guess it came to California with a miner?

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    I just found this link showing an eagle like yours dating it to the 1840-50s.

    Buckle???
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    Couple more for the experts

    Nice, after reading into that I found this one, showed some that are identical but I still didn't catch an exact age unless I missed it Civil war buckle in Iowa???
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    Here's one that's together with the wreath.

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    I'm posting the following info because the thin STAMPED-SHEETBRASS 2-piece tongue-&-wreath "patriotic" CIVILIAN buckle center-disc and rectangular belt-loop found by Audozer can easily be confused with the much-sturdier MILITARY-issue SOLID-CAST brass version of tongue-&-wreath buckle. Audozer's find is made of very thin stamped-sheetbrass, and is a version sold for Civilian use in California during the Gold Rush era (1849-1850s).

    The following info is at the link posted by Fyrffytr1, but it's way down in that discussion, below the part saying 1840s-50s. It was written by T-Net member Kuger, who I consider to be an Expert on the subject of the thin Civilian-usage stamped-brass buckles. See the photo below, showing a "Forty-Niner" wearing one.

    On Dec. 28, 2009, Kuger wrote:
    > "I am going to drag this post up from the past as I don't get over to this side much, and Tongue and Wreaths [buckles] are my obsession!
    > As "V" said, you do indeed have the center disc of a stamped brass Tongue. It is what we call the Standard Eagle and there is several variations to it,one is actually a three piece that the center disc was soldered on a "T" bar. This design was not very good as we seldom find them still intact, but looking at yours I see that yours has remnants of the bridge (the common weak spot on these "flimsy" buckles) which means it was a one piece tongue. These buckles were actually made for the California Gold Rush, and the stamped brass ones were actually sold with the elastic cloth belt and trousers as the trousers were basically one size fits all and months in the field would cause anybody to have to "tighten" up the belt! Some of these buckles actually had the retailer's name on them which was like the first designer clothing advertisements! I believe the examples that are found east of the Mississippi are undoubtedly lost by men that were in the Gold Fields."
    Buckle???

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    In the closeup photo of a stamped-sheetbrass eagle tongue-&-wreath below, note that the rectangular belt-loop's body is "fatter" and "rounded-looking" in comparison to the solid-cast version's very-square-bodied loops (see BosnMate's photo). The other photo shows the back of the solid-cast brass Military version.
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    Last edited by TheCannonballGuy; Jan 03, 2018 at 12:02 AM. Reason: A necessary clarification.
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    Thank you cannonball guy! I really appreciate the time you and everyone else has put in to help me track down info on these things. We love this hobby and I'm glad we have this forum for us like minded people to share info, finds, and stories. I just hope I can find the opportunity to repay you folks for sharing your experience and knowledge with my family and I!

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    Amazing finds great pieces of history. Thanks for posting your finds
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    Audozer, Congrat's to you on the finds of the Eagle General Service button and the 2 piece Eagle buckle. Very Nice finds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCannonballGuy View Post
    I'm posting the following info because the thin STAMPED-SHEETBRASS 2-piece tongue-&-wreath "patriotic" CIVILIAN buckle center-disc and rectangular belt-loop found by Audozer can easily be confused with the much-sturdier MILITARY-issue SOLID-CAST brass version of tongue-&-wreath buckle. Audozer's find is made of very thin stamped-sheetbrass, and is a version sold for Civilian use in California during the Gold Rush era (1849-1850s).

    The following info is at the link posted by Fyrffytr1, but it's way down in that discussion, below the part saying 1840s-50s. It was written by T-Net member Kuger, who I consider to be an Expert on the subject of the thin Civilian-usage stamped-brass buckles. See the photo below, showing a "Forty-Niner" wearing one.

    On Dec. 28, 2009, Kuger wrote:
    > "I am going to drag this post up from the past as I don't get over to this side much, and Tongue and Wreaths [buckles] are my obsession!
    > As "V" said, you do indeed have the center disc of a stamped brass Tongue. It is what we call the Standard Eagle and there is several variations to it,one is actually a three piece that the center disc was soldered on a "T" bar. This design was not very good as we seldom find them still intact, but looking at yours I see that yours has remnants of the bridge (the common weak spot on these "flimsy" buckles) which means it was a one piece tongue. These buckles were actually made for the California Gold Rush, and the stamped brass ones were actually sold with the elastic cloth belt and trousers as the trousers were basically one size fits all and months in the field would cause anybody to have to "tighten" up the belt! Some of these buckles actually had the retailer's name on them which was like the first designer clothing advertisements! I believe the examples that are found east of the Mississippi are undoubtedly lost by men that were in the Gold Fields."
    Buckle???

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    In the closeup photo of a stamped-sheetbrass eagle tongue-&-wreath below, note that the rectangular belt-loop's body is "fatter" and "rounded-looking" in comparison to the solid-cast version's very-square-bodied loops (see BosnMate's photo). The other photo shows the back of the solid-cast brass Military version.
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    I'm still covering ground, this site is one that I go to a couple times a year and has given up quite a few interesting items so far

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    I know what it is...

    It is the metal part of an army badge award look it up it is fabric with on of those on it.

 

 

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