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    Possible civil war engineer ruler?

    Found this at the same site I got my Virginia button last week. It was about 2 inches deep and still has 75% of the wood on it. I have no idea if it could be civil war since the wood hasn't rotted away so hopefully you guys can help. Click image for larger version. 

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    I would say you already your answer.
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    they still make and sell those rulers today

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    Welp thanks for the feedback. Was kind of hoping it would be old but it's interesting anyway.
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    Diggerkid2003, don't be too disappointed. Although that version of "Engineer's Folding Rule(r) is still being manufactured today, it COULD be from the civil war era. There's just no way to know its time-period with full 100% certainty. I should mention two noteworthy points about it:
    1- Due to the popularity of spring-loading retracting pocket tape-measures in the 20th Century, that old type of BRASS-BODIED folding ruler is much more likely to be from the 1800s than the 1900s.
    2- In the right soil chemistry conditions, I've seen 100-to-200-year old organic material (such as cloth or wood or leather) which is in direct contact with brass be amazingly well preserved. Example are brass buttons with some cloth still remaining on the button's back, and solid-cast brass buckles with leather preserved around the belt-books.
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    I have one of those. wood with brass except mine is not as old as yours.
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    It was right there!!!!!

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    It's a really neat find... Are there any markings on the hinge?
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    As far as we can tell there are no markings on the brass.
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    Very nice find!!! "D"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggerKid2003 View Post
    As far as we can tell there are no markings on the brass.
    There wouldn't be any. The makers mark and model number would have been stamped on the wood. Like this one-



    Look closely at the above rule and you can see it is a No. 30 by H. Chapin as stamped between the nine and ten inch marks. This one might have been made around 1880-1900.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuntinDog View Post
    I would say you already your answer.
    They make folding rules still but nobody makes a four fold or brass bound rule anymore that I could find. If someone does, I bet it is frighteningly expensive
    I cannot make you think. I can give you something to think about, but whether or not you choose to think about what is offered and how you think about it is entirely up to you. In the same manner, I cannot make you get offended. I have no control over your behavior. Getting offended, or keeping your cool is your choice. It is all up to YOU cupcake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    They make folding rules still but nobody makes a four fold or brass bound rule anymore that I could find. If someone does, I bet it is frighteningly expensive
    https://www.garrettwade.com/36-in-fo...4011000&mkwid=[distribution]HepT806L&crid=[creative_id]&mp_kw=[keyword_text]&mp_mt=&pdv=c&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu-fD2ozi2QIVGI7ICh3nPQ2QEAkYDyABEgLB3vD_BwE
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    Nice!

    At about a dollar an inch they cost half as much as I would have guessed. That's a three footer or I'd pick one up. Nine inches looks funny sticking out of a shirt pocket.
    I cannot make you think. I can give you something to think about, but whether or not you choose to think about what is offered and how you think about it is entirely up to you. In the same manner, I cannot make you get offended. I have no control over your behavior. Getting offended, or keeping your cool is your choice. It is all up to YOU cupcake!

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    The modern-era one at the link posted by 50bmg has a (single) brass hinge-body, but it doesn't have the brass "frame" (brass-bound) around the wood like we see on the one found by DiggerKid2003. Being brass-bound would make it significantly more expensive to mnufacture. So, I still think DiggerKid's find is more likely to be from the 1800s than the 1900s. Of course that doesn't mean it's defiitely from the civil war... but the brass frame and being found near a civil war Virginia State Seal button at least gives it more than just a slight possibility of being a civil war one.
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