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    Thank you Gary, I'll give that forum a shot (As it were lol)
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    Thank you Namxt. I've just had a similar translation that matches yours. There was another letter with this one. I've posted some pictures and it would be great if you could translate this one too.
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    FrankyG,

    I must pass on this. German is not the problem, in fact I am native speaker.

    However (and as remarked by an earlier poster), the daugher writes a fairly modern script which I can read almost fully (gets guessy around the occulation shots).

    Dad is older and writes fully blown Sütterlin or Kurrentschrift, or whatever the powers that be (was!) thought that a kid should learn in his youth. I can only say it seems a letter back from Hermann to his daugther and at this time he was a bit further east in Tauroggen.

    That both letters were "souvenired" by a British soldier gives hope that the family made it whollly into the west. You know what the soviets did to young german girsl before they shot them.

    Greets Namxat
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    I posted pictures of the SS feldpost letter on a German Militaria page on facebook and the consensus there is that the stamp on the letter is a fake because the letter does not end in a 'Heil Hitler'. I'm surprised if the letter is not genuine because it seems that someone has gone to a lot of trouble to create it and then added a mundane content in the letter. The 240 transport Security battalion were in the area at the time in support of the 3rd SS Panzer division so I just don't know what's gone on with this. They tell me that the other letter that i posted is legit so I'd still like to translate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankyg View Post
    I posted pictures of the SS feldpost letter on a German Militaria page on facebook and the consensus there is that the stamp on the letter is a fake because the letter does not end in a 'Heil Hitler'. I'm surprised if the letter is not genuine because it seems that someone has gone to a lot of trouble to create it and then added a mundane content in the letter. The 240 transport Security battalion were in the area at the time in support of the 3rd SS Panzer division so I just don't know what's gone on with this. They tell me that the other letter that i posted is legit so I'd still like to translate it.
    ??

    And every Tommy signed its most trivil letter with "Your humble and obidient Servant". Read Postcards from my Grandpa and he never signed "party line". Postcards! those were open and in far greater danger that someone read them. If they dont have more as evidence I would not believe it.

    He was no SS and was only of the second lowest rank, older, w/ family and in a third rate unit. Why should he be a fanatic?

    Greets Namxat
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    That's exactly what I thought Namxat. There was a war on and the letter was adressed to the soldier from a member of his family at home. I think it would be very likely that it would have been processed by the main Divisional mail clerks for the division his unit was attached to or whatever they were and so the SS stamp would have been used. I think it's genuine but I would not sell it as such unless I was 100% sure.
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    the letter is a fake because the letter does not end in a 'Heil Hitler'.
    This is a ridiculous assumption. Maybe if the letter is an official military or political document, but a letter from a daughter to her father - no 'Heil' is necessary.
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    It seems to me that Martha is sending a letter to her Mother and father? Was she the one deployed in the field? The letter starts my dearest mother and dearest father
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    Hi TrdKing,

    Daughter Martha writes from Dietrichswalde / Eastern Prussia where she is with two siblings to her father in Tilsit who is a private in a Transport Security Battalion in Tilsit / Eastern Prussia via military mail. Wife/mom is w/ dad in Tilsit, as you pointed out.
    Why that is so, IdK. Perhaps they send the kids to a little village during war where it is safer. Or she is is actually not the daughter but the daughter in law addressing her inlaws as mom and dad (which was not so unusal in Germany in older times). In this case the siblings might be grandchildren and it would also explain why she is addressed as "Frau" and not "Fräulein". However that would mean that the receiver is a grandpa and 1943 it was not still the time where they took old man and children.

    Letter is most trivial, a short description by me is above.

    As far as I know (I am not an expert) the rubber stamps seem to match the whole thing (places, dates). Yet in another forum somebody called it a fake since the girl did not sign "Heil Hitler!" which I deem H....s..t.

    Second letter is back from Dad to Girl and for me not legible due to old Sütterlin/Kurrentschrift. I can see that he is now a bit further east (Tauroggen, Lithuania). Guesses about what he writes are limited to a few words. "Not any Longer","after a long time", "left Tilsit around 15:00", staying1-2 days" and are only guesses. Yet it would alos make sense for a grunt in a transport security battalion.

    Greets Namxat

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    In regards to correspondence being signed with "HH", it was expected and became common practice to end letters with "Heil Hitler" or with the phrase "mit deutschem Gruß" (with German greetings). All official administrative correspondence used "Heil Hitler" and it was the norm among supporters of the Nazi party. Omitting it could be considered a subtle form of resistance, especially if in response to a document which included the phrase. That doesn't mean that a personal letter to a family member has to have it on it to be legit.
    I'm not up to date on SS feldpost stamp marks, but that is what would be faked if anything. Anything Waffen-SS related is highly collectible, so many items are faked. Postal stamps being one of them.

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    Thank you all for your comments and interest. These two letters were among a group of Feldpost postcards from the First World War and a book dated 1940 called 'Der Wehermacht' that a family member brought back to England after the Second World War in which he fought in France, Holland and Germany. I have never questioned their authenticity. I wonder if the soldier was an old soldier from WW1 who re-joined in a non front line unit as a driver or guard during WW2. I know that a lot of British soldiers did this.
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    I can post the second letter somewhere where I know people can read the old script and get back to you on it.
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    Envelope says:

    "Field letter
    Recipient: Miss Martha Kudies
    Place: Dietrichswalde near Friedland (East Prussia)"

    Dietrichswalde is now
    Gietrzwałd, Poland. The same person will translate the letter itself later.

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    Translation:

    "Tauroggen, the 5th[?] February 1943
    My dear Martel, my little Bernhardt!
    After a long time I am going on a transport again, that is each commanded has to do one transport. Today I left at 3pm from Tilsit, now I am here in Tauroggen. Here I stay put for 1-2 days then we continue east. Martel, I wanted to ask you herewith if you took action regarding the [Wirtschaft Komitat Schulzenwiese], if not, then write immediately to the district administrator to Heinrichswalde in Elchniederung. I will return in about 10 days if nothing happens, then I will take 1-2 days off and will take a look at the [Wirtschaft]. From [Thurewen] I got a letter these days and they write me that they haven't received any letters from Walter for five weeks, and they are worried about him. How is our little Bernhardt, he certainly is a big boy now. Does he want to visit daddy some time? Greetings to all,
    Hermann"
    The [Wirtschaft Komitat Schulzenwiese] part sounds like he is talking about a pub (Wirtschaft) called Komitat (literally an armed escort: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comitatus) in Schulzenwiese. Tauroggen is now Taurage, Lithuania. Heinrichswalde is now Slavsk, Russia. Schulzenwiese seems to no longer exist on the map (when you google the Russian name a different place shows up) but it was at the coordinates 54.8605°N 21.6409°E

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    Sagittarius, thank you so much for this. It somehow brings history to life to read things like this.

    I have one other item in old German that I would love to translate. It is from the same bundle that these later letters were in. It is a Feldpost letter from the First World War showing a Jewish School in Lithuania that later was the scene of mass murder during the Holocaust in the Second World War. I sent photos of it to the Holocaust museum in London and they could not translate it. Can you help?Click image for larger version. 

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