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    Help Please :), Native American Something or nothing?

    Hey, I'm very new to this website and need a little help...

    This was found in Colorado less than a month ago on a hike up to Carpenters peak. It was surprisingly easily spotted just off the trail. To me it looks worked and sharpened at the edge similar to one of the displayed pieces I saw in the Visitors Centers of that exact park. My boyfriend says its likely nothing as usual. He does have a keen eye but often quickly throws away anything i dig up / find.. i personally think to be worth a 2nd look, what do you think?


    Thank you
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    Welcome to Treasurenet.

    Sorry, there is nothing in pictures posted that says artifact.
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    That’s definitely interesting. Wish photos were clearer. Your getting close
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    Pic one appears to show some large flake removals, while pic 4 shows at least two obvious percussion flakes running at a 45 degree angle from bottom right to top left. But it appears unfinished to me. Take some clearer pics in natural light outside, at all angles so we can make better guesses.
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    Nice find! Congrats.

    I believe it's small fat scraper. They were commonly held between the thumb and the first knuckle of the index finger. Try and see if that fits? Used to flense small animal hides for clothing or decretive pieces.

    Location, Location, I once found a drill point laying in the middle of the street in Williamsburg, Va. Just tucked in real neat between the cobblestones. No telling how old that trail might be.
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    I blew pictures up and I see nothing in pictures saying it is artifact.
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    I tried to take photos outside for more clarity, its a damn overcast day so im not sure if theyre that much better than the previous
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    “I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It” Patrick Henry March 20, 1775

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    I respectfully submit that the red arrows indicate the area where the stone specimen has been sharpened. And very finely sharpened at that. As a blade maker myself I would compare the sharpness of this artifact with a Damascus edge in that both this piece and a Damascus blade feature micro-serrations which are the secret of their amazing edges. This tool could be used for preparing hides, removing bone marrow, skinning or for shaving small bits of meat off the bones of their prey.

    Best wishes and thanks for your attention.------Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reanm8er View Post
    I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It Patrick Henry March 20, 1775

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    I respectfully submit that the red arrows indicate the area where the stone specimen has been sharpened. And very finely sharpened at that. As a blade maker myself I would compare the sharpness of this artifact with a Damascus edge in that both this piece and a Damascus blade feature micro-serrations which are the secret of their amazing edges. This tool could be used for preparing hides, removing bone marrow, skinning or for shaving small bits of meat off the bones of their prey.

    Best wishes and thanks for your attention.------Phil
    Without seeing it/holding it, I'd safely say it is at least a flake.

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    I see what you are talking about, but without having it in hand I can't personally say it is secondary flaking, I have seen a lot of flint that had natural chips that some mistook for flaking. I blew up the new picture but it falls apart before I can see the edge clearly. Not saying your wrong, only that I cant see edge clearly.
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    You could finish it and have a nice spear tip
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    Or bind it on a stick and have a knife. I saw this demo on the discovery channel where they had unearthed a small knife, stone about this size and shape fastened on a stick, and could see that a really hard resin glue had been used. They analyzed the material and found out it was from a conifer tree that grew locally. Then the scientist were scratching their heads to figure out how they melted the glue without it catching on fire. So finally one of the scientists gets this bright idea and takes two ostrich eggs. He cuts the top from one egg and dumps the contents and put the scrapings from the tree inside. He uses the other to make a cap for the first and sealed them with mud. They set the crucible up between some rocks and buried it in hot coals. They found the right amount of time by trial and error and then fished it out and opened the crucible. Inside the sap had become the texture and stickiness of ferrule cement like we use on fishing rods and arrow inserts. They applied it to a forked stick and a small blade someone had napped, stuck them together and then wrapped thin leather cord around it. In about an hour it was bulletproof. Very durable. Amazing!
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    I don't think anyone can conclusively say it's a tool based on those photos... It's not possible because the photo is not crisp enough to see any flaking or even what the edge looks like besides being a little jagged... in fact, the photos point more towards it being just a piece of debitage in my opinion. The original poster can solve it themselves... if they can't get a better photo of that edge, they can look and that edge looks scalloped or intentionally flaked, than maybe it's a small flake knife/scraper -- or utilized flake -- but it's certainly not a nice refined tool. Regardless, with that said, if anything, I'd say it is a flake so it is an artifact. And if it's the first thing you found, it's still a cool find.

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    It looks like an unfinished scraper to me, but I am definitely not an expert on Native American artifacts.
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