[SOLVED] Cannonball Identification Help Please
Welcome guest, is this your first visit?
Member
Discoveries
 
Results 1 to 15 of 15
Like Tree57Likes
  • 7 Post By ScottVid
  • 2 Post By Georgivs
  • 1 Post By A2coins
  • 2 Post By mirage83
  • 3 Post By Kray Gelder
  • 2 Post By Dfxcobb
  • 10 Post By TheCannonballGuy
  • 1 Post By Gene Mean
  • 8 Post By TheCannonballGuy
  • 5 Post By A2coins
  • 3 Post By smallfoot
  • 4 Post By ScottVid
  • 5 Post By ANTIQUARIAN
  • 1 Post By diggerranger
  • 3 Post By ScottVid

Thread: Cannonball Identification Help Please

« Prev Thread | Next Thread »
  1. #1
    us
    Feb 2020
    Maryland
    3
    14 times
    Relic Hunting

    Cannonball Identification Help Please

    Hello,
    I bought a box of five of these "cannonballs" from an estate that had a number of civil war items. So, I'm hoping that they are indeed civil war cannonballs. They weight 3 pounds 10.9 ounces and measure 9-5/8 inches around the center. I'm attaching some pictures. Is there any more information needed? Thank you so much for looking at this. All the best, Scott


    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7988.JPG 
Views:	34 
Size:	2.03 MB 
ID:	1800552Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7989.JPG 
Views:	33 
Size:	2.21 MB 
ID:	1800553Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7990.JPG 
Views:	33 
Size:	2.16 MB 
ID:	1800554Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7991.JPG 
Views:	34 
Size:	2.32 MB 
ID:	1800555Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7992.JPG 
Views:	33 
Size:	2.13 MB 
ID:	1800556Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_7993.JPG 
Views:	29 
Size:	2.49 MB 
ID:	1800557

  2. #2
    us
    May 2018
    Athens Georgia
    Garret AT pro
    237
    573 times
    Metal Detecting
    From what I understand cannonballs don't have seams
    Gene Mean and A2coins like this.
    The universe rewards the observant.

  3. #3
    Charter Member
    us
    Tommy

    Dec 2015
    Ann Arbor
    Equinox 800
    28,528
    36768 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Honorable Mentions (2)
    That's what I thought as well I hope were wrong are there any holes for a fuse or is it smooth all the way around
    Last edited by A2coins; Feb 11, 2020 at 04:26 PM.
    Gene Mean likes this.

    Approved TreasureNet Stickers

    .:: $2.00 for 11" X 3" Bumper Sticker ::. I have 185 left PM me if you would like to buy any Tommy

    (Free Shipping)


    SEE: TreasureNet Bumper Stickers

  4. #4
    us
    Dec 2009
    NW Georgia
    Whites MXT, XLT
    793
    559 times
    Yeah, that seam would cause some real problems down the bore. Maybe mill balls?
    A2coins and Gene Mean like this.

  5. #5
    Charter Member
    us
    papa

    Feb 2017
    Georgetown, SC
    Fisher F75
    4,232
    8461 times
    Metal Detecting
    Canister shot? Click image for larger version. 

Name:	cannister shot.jpg 
Views:	24 
Size:	777.2 KB 
ID:	1800604
    ANTIQUARIAN, Gene Mean and A2coins like this.


    "And so the population was gradually led into the demoralising temptations of arcades, baths, and sumptuous banquets. The unsuspecting Britons spoke of such novelties as 'civilisation', when in fact they were only a feature of their enslavement." Tacitus, Roman Senator and Historian, written AD 98.

  6. #6

    Dec 2016
    NW Alabama
    whites mx sport. DFX tesori tiger shark
    300
    657 times
    Relic Hunting
    Thinking grape shot look up cannonball dimensions. Should be able to find it. It has precise measurements and weights
    A2coins and Gene Mean like this.

  7. #7
    Educator

    Feb 2006
    Occupied CSA (Richmond VA)
    White's 6000, Nautilus DMC-1, Minelab
    5,792
    9121 times
    Relic Hunting
    ScottVid, as my member-name indicates, my specialty area of relic study is Historical (pre-20th-Century) artillery projectiles. I co-wrote a very detailed educational article on how to tell with certainty whether or not an iron ball is actually an artillery ball.
    http://www.pochefamily.org/books/SolidShotEssentialsMod.html

    First of all, I should mention that unlike civil war era artillery balls, many Revolutionary War era artillery balls did have a very-visible casting-mold seam. BUT, so do many Civilian-usage balls, such as the Mill-Balls mentioned by Mirage83. Thus, the presence of a mold-seam on a ball MAY OR MAY NOT be a "disqualifier"


    Because multi-millions of round and round-ish iron balls have been manufactured for strictly Civilian industrial (and ornamental) purposes, we cannonball collectors rely on the historical Ordnance Department records to tell us which sizes of balls are artillery balls and which are Civilian-usage balls.
    http://www.civilwarartillery.com/shottables.htm


    As the super-precise diameter & weight measurements (called the "Shot Tables" in the US Army Ordnance Manual of 1861) at the link above show, here are the only artillery balls which are even "close" to your 3-pound 10.9-ounce balls:
    3 pounds 1 ounce, a 3-Pounder caliber Solid-Shot cannonball (2.84"-diamter)
    3 pounds 2.5 ounces, a 32-Pounder caliber Grape-Shot ball (2.87-.89"-diameter)
    3 pounds 10.9 ounces, your balls
    4 pounds 1 ounce, a 4-Pounder caliber Solid-Shot cannonball (3.12"-diameter)

    Note the very-exact diameter of the actual artillery balls in the data above. Yours are 3.06-inch in diameter (9 & 5/8th-inch circumference divided by 3.1416 equals 3.06-inches). The size data in the Shot Tables (given above) is for civil war era artillery balls... but Revolutionary War era balls were a few hundredths-of-an-inch smaller. So yours, at 3.06-inch diameter, are within the "margin of tolerance" to be a RevWar era 4-Pounder Solid-Shot. The original weight of your cast-iron balls was reduced a few ounces by a type of corrosion called Graphitization, which can occur during 200+ years of burial in "swampy/marshy ground." From studying battlefield-dug cannonballs for over 40 years, I recognize the grey-ish appearance of your excavated-&-cleaned cannonballs as showing Graphitization corrosion.
    Last edited by TheCannonballGuy; Feb 12, 2020 at 02:26 AM. Reason: Rearranged the list, by weight.
    A2coins, ANTIQUARIAN, AARC and 7 others like this.
    "Let The Christ be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."

  8. #8
    us
    Dec 2016
    Central NJ
    Garrett ACE 350 Equinox 800
    844
    1814 times
    Relic Hunting
    So congrats on the Rev War cannonballs!
    A2coins likes this.

  9. #9
    Educator

    Feb 2006
    Occupied CSA (Richmond VA)
    White's 6000, Nautilus DMC-1, Minelab
    5,792
    9121 times
    Relic Hunting
    The following is intended only as friendly educational advice. The photo posted by Kray Gelder shows what is known as a Stand Of Grapeshot, not Canister ammo. Canister, as its name implies, was an iron sheetmetal can (a "tin can") filled with dozens of iron balls.

    In addition to a Stand Of Grapehot, there was another version, called Quilted Grapehot. The name "Quilted" came from the look of the canvas fabric wrapping being held in place by a wire mesh, giving it the look of a quilt.

    The photos below (some may not be in the order listed) show:
    Canister, 4.62"-caliber, excavated condition, can is corroded open, revealing some of the dozens of balls inside.
    Canister, 4.62"-caliber, non-dug condition, can's soldered seam has separated, showing balls inside.
    Quilted Grapeshot, 3.25"-caliber, non-excavated condition, showing original canvas with wire wrapping.
    Quilted Grapeshot, 9"-caliber, non-excavated condition, Navy version, showing original canvas with twine wrapping.
    Stand Of Grape, 6.4"-caliber, unfired, excavated condition (cleaned).
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	shell_canister_REBUILT-FROM-PIECES_TN_postedbyCSA2K_arty_06_canister01.jpg 
Views:	11 
Size:	23.1 KB 
ID:	1800737   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	shell_QuiltedGrapeshot_woodenbase_nondug_orig (2).jpg 
Views:	10 
Size:	46.5 KB 
ID:	1800738   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	canister_12pounder_NONDUG_openview_ebay_57004_1_md.jpg 
Views:	10 
Size:	23.2 KB 
ID:	1800739   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	shell_grapeshot_quilted-grapeshot_9inch-caliber_US-Navy.jpg 
Views:	12 
Size:	384.7 KB 
ID:	1800740  
    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Last edited by TheCannonballGuy; Feb 12, 2020 at 12:58 PM. Reason: Typo-error correction.
    "Let The Christ be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out."

  10. #10
    Charter Member
    us
    Tommy

    Dec 2015
    Ann Arbor
    Equinox 800
    28,528
    36768 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Honorable Mentions (2)
    Awesome info and ID CBG love it.

    Approved TreasureNet Stickers

    .:: $2.00 for 11" X 3" Bumper Sticker ::. I have 185 left PM me if you would like to buy any Tommy

    (Free Shipping)


    SEE: TreasureNet Bumper Stickers

  11. #11
    us
    May 2019
    Flawda
    Garrett AT Pro, Bounty Hunter Tracker IV
    902
    2007 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Thanks for all the info!

  12. #12
    us
    Feb 2020
    Maryland
    3
    14 times
    Relic Hunting
    Wow! Thank you all for the great information. I take it that I should not wash this cannonball so I don't remove the "Graphitization corrosion." Is that correct? Any other tips on preserving these balls and any other things that I should know. Again thank you all for the wonderful kind help you have given me. Scott

  13. #13
    Charter Member
    ca
    Detect everyday like it's the last day of the season!

    Apr 2010
    Upper Canada (Southern Ontario)
    XP Deus, Lesche - Piranha 35 Shovel & a 'Garrett Carrot'
    8,228
    8073 times
    Relic Hunting
    Banner Finds (1)
    Honorable Mentions (1)
    Sounds like you made a great investment with your estate sale purchase Scott.

    If I were you, I would print both of TheCannonballGuy’s posts here and include these with the cannonballs.
    This is exactly the kind of background information that future collectors will want to know.

    Dave
    “I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.”
    “Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.”
    “Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.”
    ― John Wayne

  14. #14
    us
    Mar 2016
    VA
    333
    733 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Gene Mean likes this.

  15. #15
    us
    Feb 2020
    Maryland
    3
    14 times
    Relic Hunting
    Thanks Dave, I guess it's time to do a happy dance.
    Scott
    Last edited by ScottVid; Feb 13, 2020 at 04:07 PM.

 

 

Home | Forum | Active Topics | What's New

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Cannonball identification help, please.
    By fireonethree in forum Revolutionary War
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Nov 24, 2017, 01:45 AM
  2. Cannonball Identification
    By Timeframe in forum What Is It?
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Jul 19, 2014, 06:25 PM
  3. [SOLVED] Cannonball Identification
    By ChopperGuy in forum What Is It?
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: Jan 25, 2014, 11:02 AM
  4. [SOLVED] Cannonball found, help with identification
    By sturrat in forum What Is It?
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Apr 06, 2013, 12:58 PM
  5. Cannonball Identification SOLVED!!
    By coondog in forum Civil War
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: Mar 28, 2007, 05:10 PM

Tags for this Thread

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.3.0