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    CW Rifle Butt Plate

    Found off the coast of South Carolina on a CW ship wreck. Any idea what rifle this butt plate came from? I need to clean thorouClick image for larger version. 

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ID:	1844154ghly but I do see the following letters “25MA” on large portion.

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    Pattern 1853 Enfield......Also 25 MA is most likely 25 MASS. The 25th MASS did serve in Viginia and North Carolina during the American Civil War.

    Here's a picture of 23D MASS marked Enfield buttplate. Plus a picture of my P1853 Enfield buttplate.


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    Last edited by ffuries; Jun 25, 2020 at 08:44 PM.
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    Awesome find and id by ffuries
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    As an added note, if mine I would research how to clean and preserve the buttplate. It will allow it to last a lot longer and it might make the inscription more legible.

    Once you can read the inscription and confirm what it says, do some research there aren't a ton of unit marked Civil War rifles out there, just the buttplate alone might be worth some serious money to the right collector.
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    Cool find, great ID!!!
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    I also see "25MASS"... congrats on your find and to Mike for his I.D.!

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    Awesome! Thank you all for the ID and feedback!!

    I was told that muriatic acid will remove the crustaceans and not effect the brass. Any feedback on that?
    Last edited by Mgortel7; Jun 27, 2020 at 07:31 PM.
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    That's an AWESOME find...

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    That's awesome! any other finds that day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgortel7 View Post
    Awesome! Thank you all for the ID and feedback!!

    I was told by fellow divers that muriatic acid will remove the crustaceans and not effect the brass. Any feedback on that?
    I don't know enough on that subject to give you a good answer. That said right here on tnet there is a cleaning and preservation section, you could ask there for advice and tips.

    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/cl...-preservation/
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    Yes! The tip of a bayonet scabbard, a full and partial spike, a piece of coal and a piece of Leather strap with a brass rivet. NYS Belt Buckle, another found bullets and grapeshot ...around 20 mini balls and grapeshot. My girlfriend found something encased in crustacean that looks the shape of a door knob. Working on cleaning up. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgortel7 View Post
    Yes! The tip of a bayonet scabbard, a full and partial spike used to hold ship planks together, a piece of coal (it was a steam powered paddle wheel ship), and a piece of Leather strap with a brass rivet. One of the divers found a NYS Belt Buckle, another found a crate of bullets and grapeshot but he ran out of bottom time and had to come up with just a handful....around 20 mini balls and grapeshot. Same guy also found a piece of cannon ball with grapeshot stuck to inside still. My girlfriend found something encased in crustacean that looks the shape of a door knob but it may be boiler tube with something on end. Working on cleaning up. Click image for larger version. 

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    Damn what a haul. These finds ooze history that's for sure.
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    Follow up

    Found an “F” and “57” stamped also. See pic. On opposite side there is 2 letters. One is clearly a “W” the one next to it hard to make out. Pic will not take clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgortel7 View Post
    Found an “F” and “57” stamped also. See pic. On opposite side there is 2 letters. One is clearly a “W” the one next to it hard to make out. Pic will not take clearly.

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    For Massachusetts the following information was mandated to be stamped on the rifles.

    The state directed that the arms were to be marked, by the regiment, with the regimental number, company letter and soldier number. There are instances of rifles being reissued, and marked with a new soldiers number.

    So 25th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment, Company F, Soldier 57.

    Interesting tidbit for you regarding F Company.

    Corporal Orlando Phidelio Boss, Company F – Medal of Honor recipient for action at the Battle of Cold Harbor, June 3, 1864.
    Last edited by ffuries; Jun 26, 2020 at 10:35 PM.
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    Wow!!! Outstanding information. So cool. Gives me chills! Really makes the item personable...be cool to figure out who “Soldier 57” may have been or “Soldiers”. Thank you so much Mike!!
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