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  1. #1
    us
    Dec 2017
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    What is it and how old?

    I feel like I have seen one of these posted before and it may have even been my own post, but I usually attach all of my photos to an album and there wasn't anything like it in my photo albums... so here I am. What is this little thing and how old do you think it might be? I'm looking for a site dating to the early-mid 1800s hotel that is now an apple orchard if that helps.
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    Also, I found an fb I think is 1830s-ish maybe 100 or so feet away from this so I think I might be close to the site but I talked to the landowners son today and he spoke of a tavern (possibly my hotel?) in the exact opposite direction I thought it would be.
    Thanks and happy hunting!
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    I'm gathering some stats on the ratios of big coppers to silvers at pre-1850 sites, please help me out and check out this post!
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ge...800s-site.html

    2020 Totals
    Metal Detecting
    • Coppers: 1820 LC, 1837 Hard Times token, 1856 LC, 3 Matron Head LC's, (half of a) Victoria Penny, 1868, 1908 IHP
    • Silvers: 1942 Washington
    • Flat buttons: 24
    • Military buttons: 2
    • Indian artifacts, points, etc: 2

  2. #2
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    Here it is again after drying off (still dirty) and next to a quarter for scale.


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    Tony in SC and devldog like this.
    I'm gathering some stats on the ratios of big coppers to silvers at pre-1850 sites, please help me out and check out this post!
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ge...800s-site.html

    2020 Totals
    Metal Detecting
    • Coppers: 1820 LC, 1837 Hard Times token, 1856 LC, 3 Matron Head LC's, (half of a) Victoria Penny, 1868, 1908 IHP
    • Silvers: 1942 Washington
    • Flat buttons: 24
    • Military buttons: 2
    • Indian artifacts, points, etc: 2

  3. #3
    us
    Apr 2009
    Cumberland Va
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    It's a rivet . used on saddles and such and fits your sites time line.
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    I agree with ticndig. Also used on denim jeans,etc, from way back.
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    us
    Dec 2017
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    Thank you both! I think you guys are right! How old do you think it might be?
    I'm gathering some stats on the ratios of big coppers to silvers at pre-1850 sites, please help me out and check out this post!
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ge...800s-site.html

    2020 Totals
    Metal Detecting
    • Coppers: 1820 LC, 1837 Hard Times token, 1856 LC, 3 Matron Head LC's, (half of a) Victoria Penny, 1868, 1908 IHP
    • Silvers: 1942 Washington
    • Flat buttons: 24
    • Military buttons: 2
    • Indian artifacts, points, etc: 2

  6. #6

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    Due to diameter and length of the shank I think it was a horse tack rivet.

  7. #7
    us
    Oct 2006
    Herndon Virginia
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    Metal Detecting
    Agree. Leather rivet.

    We find lots of these in Civil War areas. Sometimes we call them knapsack rivets, but they the same as used for horse equipment.

    Regarding 'tavern' versus 'hotel' - In the early 19th century a tavern was the equivalent of a modern day hotel (motel, really...).

    In colonial days it was called an 'ordinary'. An ordinary was a place where a traveler could find food and a bed. In the days after American independence, the word 'ordinary' fell out of favor (too British, I guess ).

    George Washington writes about staying at 'William West's Ordinary' (near Aldie, VA) while he was surveying what is now Loudoun County Virginia. 19th C Loudoun County maps show the spot as Lacey's Tavern.
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  8. #8
    us
    Dec 2017
    Connecticut Western Reserve
    Garret ACE 300
    691
    943 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Quote Originally Posted by DCMatt View Post
    Agree. Leather rivet.

    We find lots of these in Civil War areas. Sometimes we call them knapsack rivets, but they the same as used for horse equipment.

    Regarding 'tavern' versus 'hotel' - In the early 19th century a tavern was the equivalent of a modern day hotel (motel, really...).

    In colonial days it was called an 'ordinary'. An ordinary was a place where a traveler could find food and a bed. In the days after American independence, the word 'ordinary' fell out of favor (too British, I guess ).

    George Washington writes about staying at 'William West's Ordinary' (near Aldie, VA) while he was surveying what is now Loudoun County Virginia. 19th C Loudoun County maps show the spot as Lacey's Tavern.
    Thank you Matt! Very informative as always. I talked to the landowner today and he told me the location of the tavern as well as of a house on property. The house was somewhat near where I was digging and found the item in the OP. I narrowed down the location of the tavern to a smallish area and hunted most of it but didn't find too much coin/button-wise but a few neat relics and one fb anyway. Wish me luck.
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    I'm gathering some stats on the ratios of big coppers to silvers at pre-1850 sites, please help me out and check out this post!
    http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/ge...800s-site.html

    2020 Totals
    Metal Detecting
    • Coppers: 1820 LC, 1837 Hard Times token, 1856 LC, 3 Matron Head LC's, (half of a) Victoria Penny, 1868, 1908 IHP
    • Silvers: 1942 Washington
    • Flat buttons: 24
    • Military buttons: 2
    • Indian artifacts, points, etc: 2

  9. #9
    Leather rivet - circa 19th C.
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