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  1. #1
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    Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    Hello to all Wisconsin residents just to keep you up to date on what’s going on
    with Wisconsinites rights to detect on state controlled properties.
    The bill that has been introduced like 2 years ago is no more as far as I know.
    So we at Midstate metal detector club joined the Wisconsin Wildlife Federation.
    And they have and are helping, and also have a lobbyist working on this.
    So here is where we are, on April 11 2011 at 7 PM in every county in Wisconsin
    the DNR are having there spring meetings. There is a question being brought up
    to get the approval to continue working on this area. The question is how do you
    feel about a $20.00 yearly license to be allowed to detect on state controlled
    areas.
    If you are for this please call you local DNR and find out where your meeting is
    going to be held and please attend. We need a big turn out.
    Thank you Steve

  2. #2
    Charter Member

    Feb 2007
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    I think $20 would be a fair deal. . . and as an out-of-state resident, I would even be willing to
    pay a few bucks more AND buy a State Park Pass for the year. . . as I have done in the past
    until 2009. . . (and we all know what happened then).

    Are these DNR meetings open to out-of-state residents as well?

  3. #3
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    Feb 2005
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    I would think so I dont know alot about them was just told to get the word out I think they are like meetings to see what the public think about the questions.

  4. #4
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    Dec 2010
    Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    From what I read, the $20.00 permit would be issued after "some type of educational instruction or certification"; however, "Persons would not be allowed to disturb or retrieve historical artifacts and doing so would result in the loss of the permit to use a metal detector on state owned lands."

    I guess it comes down to their definition of "historical artifacts". Do we know what the timeline is for what they deem to be "historical" as of today's date?

    This is the question listed under PUBLIC & PRIVATE LAND USE STUDY COMMITTEE ADVISORY QUESTIONS:

    Question 74- Metal Detecting on State Lands (# 700110): It is currently not legal to use metal detectors on state owned lands unless authorized for the purpose of retrieving personal property. The current rule was enacted over concerns about people using metal detectors to locate artifacts and possibly taking the artifacts or destroying the site so that it could not be recorded and preserved properly to reconstruct historical events. Under this suggested permitting system, participants would be required to have some type of educational instruction or certification before being issued a permit. Persons would not be allowed to disturb or retrieve historical artifacts and doing so would result in the loss of the permit to use a metal detector on state owned lands.

    Do you support the DNR establishing a permit system whereby participants may purchase an annual metal detecting permit for the sum of $20 and be allowed to operate metal detectors on all state owned or managed property and properties purchased with Stewardship money?
    74. YES_______ NO______

  5. #5
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    Apr 2009
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    I would be more than happy to pay the $20.00. Does this mean we could hunt state parks and any waterways without a problem? Do we need to attend the meetings to voice our stand on this issue?I guess I would like to know what we need to do at the meeting.
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  6. #6
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    Dilitante

    Dec 2010
    N E Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    The State defines anything more than 50 years old as historical. Heck, that's why I won't go to State parks in this State, they might declare me an historical artifact and not let me leave.
    Life is too important to be taken seriously

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    da book worm--researcher

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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    lets see -- first you have to go to a "class" then you shell out $20 for a permit - and still pay the park entrance fees as well -then by law "legally" you can not keep anything over 50 years old -- 1961 or newer only items * --(with only 1961 to 64 silver coins being legal to find and 40% 1965 / 70 halves thus ****most silver coins and old interesting items are off limits ) --so basically its a $20 "fee" to hunt clad and modern dropped items in your own state parks that your state taxes and park enterance fees already upkeep -- man, what a deal.

  8. #8
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    Feb 2005
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    Good thought , I think you have to be there to give your yes or no vote.
    As for finding coins 61 or newer I dont think coins are included in this so they could be any age. but dont know for sure

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    Jul 2003
    Elgin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    Far too vague. Question should be if DNR should be allowed to keep operating at all as a legal entity.

    So I get a permit. Walk into the state controlled property. Get a nice signal but it turns out it's a copper culture knife two inches deep. I thought I was digging a shell casing or a quarter but no, someone who died 4,000 years ago just screwed me out of my 20 dollar permit by dropping their blade there while they were hunting game, probably out of season out of season.

    Oh wait, can't happen here, not like that.

    "Persons would not be allowed to disturb or retrieve historical artifacts and doing so would result in the loss of the permit to use a metal detector on state owned lands."

  10. #10
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    Dilitante

    Dec 2010
    N E Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    This is typical DNR. Their budget is facing cuts and this permit business is just a way for them to seperate us from more money while giving us nothing but useless paper and setting us up for big fines they'll get to keep.
    Life is too important to be taken seriously

  11. #11
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    May 2008
    Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan salis
    lets see -- first you have to go to a "class" then you shell out $20 for a permit - and still pay the park entrance fees as well -then by law "legally" you can not keep anything over 50 years old -- 1961 or newer only items * --(with only 1961 to 64 silver coins being legal to find and 40% 1965 / 70 halves thus ****most silver coins and old interesting items are off limits ) --so basically its a $20 "fee" to hunt clad and modern dropped items in your own state parks that your state taxes and park enterance fees already upkeep -- man, what a deal.
    Ivan, you have pretty well summed it up.

    And all this was started by a DNR staff archaeologist without any laws being passed.

    Even with all the hoopla in Madison right now, I'd still take the legislature over an administrative rule. That's the proper process for making laws and rules.

    Here's the link to the meeting locations:
    http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/congre...20Schedule.pdf

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  12. #12
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    da book worm--researcher

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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    oh make sure to note at the meetings to the state "ARCHIE" TYPE folks ---that under FEDERAL ARPA RULES * (WHERE THEY GET BASIS OF THEIR 50 OR 100 YEAR "RULES" FROM) that coins were exclued * by name from being subject to those rules in the actual ARPA law itself --so all "old coins" are still perfectly "legal" to find and keep even if their over 50 or 100 years old. (GOOD NEWS FOR US METAL DETECTORIST.-- let us find our old coins in peace)

  13. #13
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    Apr 2009
    Wisconsin SE
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    I thought the meetings where April 11 the link shows them all in March. Do they meet once a month? Do you need to vote in your district?
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  14. #14
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    Dec 2010
    Wisconsin
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Fighter 43
    I thought the meetings where April 11 the link shows them all in March. Do they meet once a month? Do you need to vote in your district?
    Here's the correct link :

    http://dnr.wi.gov/org/nrboard/congress/spring_hearings (click on "Hearing Locations")

  15. #15
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    PJ

    Mar 2007
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    Re: Wisconsin DNR spring Meetings

    SteveO, I appreciate you keeping us Wisconsinites up to date. I intend on going to the Milw meeting on the 11th. Does any one else plan on attending the Milw meeting?
    I quit detecting in the 70's to raise my children. Wish I had never quit.

 

 
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