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  1. #16
    XLV
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    lets say it was a single coin or nugget did u check the soil and rocks u removed from that hole ....? next time u do all this do a soil test every 1foot where u thought that photo shows the target was ... your near a big city there be a place to test if your in a mining area go to the nearest mine and talk to them they be glad to tell u what in the ground in that area ...that company that sold u that unit what they say ? show them that photo ....do not make the same mistakes twice and good luck (that target shape looks natural not man made to me )
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  2. #17

    Mar 2007
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    renantagum, let's dissect this piece by piece :

    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    ... tom again with this negative attitude....
    Let me understand: To differ from someone else's opinion, is defined as "negative". Ok, then by that definition: You too are negative Right ? Since you also disagree with my position. Eh? Ie.: the finger points both ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    .... one is lying.....
    No. ON THE CONTRARY. I do not think you are "lying". I know you are quite sincere. To believe someone is MISTAKEN is not to say they are LYING. "Lying" is a deliberate action. And no ... you are not guilty of that. I do not doubt for a moment that you sincerely believe in this treasure. Ok. So has the air been cleared about that now ?

    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    .... do you want a wager tom? ill let u see a cement vault at 4 feet or 6 feet.we can excavate it. and take pictures of it.....
    The fact of "cement vaults" around the world is not in dispute. There is no wager on "whether or not cement vaults exists" various places in the world.

    The wager I would agree to engage you on, is: IF THAT VAULT IS A YAMASHITA TREASURE. But ... alas, you don't own the land. So you can not bring it to the surface. Or ... the water table presents you from lifting it. Or ... it's booby-trapped to sink further when you try, etc... Sure, I get all that. (heaven forbid that more plausible explanations might exist).

    But at no point does cement vaults enter our discussion as to "whether or not Yamashita treasures are waiting to be found" . If no one can go to the anomoly you think you've found, to open it up , and look to decide the wager.

    Quote Originally Posted by renantagum30 View Post
    .... when you see that evidence for yourself .... .
    The wager I would agree to would have to be carefully controlled. Obviously.... because I'm a continent away. And anyone can show a stack of gold bars they said "came from a cement vault that.... on this post ... had never yet been opened as of the time of the 1/19/18 post.

    No wager is needed. All you have to do, is do like Mel Fisher did. And simply show the world. But here's where it will break down: You will say that you can't, for fear of the govt., tax consequences, and claim jumpers. Right ? Sure, I get all that. Ok, but then how am I supposed to know ? And supposedly "loose this wager" .

    Why would there be a wager for me to come there and see a disappearing cement vault ? How does that prove or dis-prove the Yamashita treasure ? If & when no one's seen (under double blind scrutiny) a single gold object ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    ....172 maps ........ ...
    and every last one of those 172 maps is bullet proof iron-clad true, with stellar lineages. And if you tried to cast any aspersions on any of those maps/people, heaven help you. They've found a squiggle on a rock in the area. Or ... their wand pointed that direction. Or .... fill in the blank. All the other 171 maps are suspect , but not theirs.

  4. #19

    Mar 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    lets say it was a single coin or nugget did u check the soil and rocks u removed from that hole ....? next time u do all this do a soil test every 1foot where u thought that photo shows the target was ... your near a big city there be a place to test if your in a mining area go to the nearest mine and talk to them they be glad to tell u what in the ground in that area ...that company that sold u that unit what they say ? show them that photo ....do not make the same mistakes twice and good luck (that target shape looks natural not man made to me )

    666, I appreciate your alliance and good humor towards all this discussion (... really !). But as for this cross-examinations of evidences that you suggest should happen: Yes, this shows your analytical thinking that should be applied. So that "clues" COULD be written to "more plausible explanations". That shows you're avoiding the treasure-fever-psychology traps

    But be aware, in certain geographic locales, that IF the "soil surveys" and "photo reviews", etc.... was in context of "could a treasure exist?" then THAT MERE FACT can start to skew the answers that you get. Ie.: the persons you interview, if they know it's in context of a treasure, will subconsciously (treasure-fever at work) spin their answers in the affirmative position. And even YOU YOURSELF, when compiling various answers, will tend to have subconscious bias to favor the answers that have leaned towards "treasure" . Because, let's face it, .... we ALL want to find treasure.

    Example: It's the exact same memory bias that occurs when we read our horoscopes. We think "wow, that was sseeooo accurate". But the truth is, we're subconsciously simply honing in on the parts of the horoscope that came true . And we subconsciously fail to see that they're so general, that they could apply to ANYONE. That's what's known as memory bias, or selective memory.

    So too do I fear this can happen if you show up at 3rd country poor villages, "in search of treasure", and start showing persons photos, etc.....

  5. #20
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    to men in black i only remember Dr david biesel 1980 psychohistory classes he wrote the book ,,,and david other history classes ....i know nothing about mental health i might need it soon ...am mechanical engineering type
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    Quote Originally Posted by retriever08082015 View Post
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    random walls and cracks. Nothing to do with treasure.

  8. #23

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    Tom in CA, you are right man.
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    malabode

  9. #24
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    where did you find that random walls and cracks? is it under the house?

  10. #25

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    Phillipine TRasure maps!
    Carbon Dating for things younger than 100 ys!
    OKM equipment!
    Another "German" comapny with equipment 2500 horizontal and 45 deep!
    A phillipine treasure comapny with 20 sites!


    PLEASE, can we make a movie out of that? WOULD BE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER THAN "OAK ISLAND"!

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    westernized equipments will only lead you to failure when you deal with japanese buried items.

 

 
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