World War 3 - Yamashita's Treasure

[msolomon]

Many believe a war could break out between the world's two largest superpowers if a new and enforceable trade deal between the two fails to be implemented. With China finalizing the construction of advanced military bases throughout the South China Sea and already actively seizing Philippine territory, what would happen to the Philippines if the next world war does not end in favor of the United States of America? I'm not saying I believe it won't. I'm only considering the possibility. If World War 3 happens then we can all pretty much assume the world will revert back to the gold standard. China and Russia seem to have been planning this for years now. Both have been frantically stock piling gold bullion more than ever before, while also investing heavily in military technological advancement. My belief is that, (if) the U.S. does lose this war, you can count the Philippines as a doomed archipelago for several reasons. But since this is a treasure forum, I'll focus on one.

If the world economy crashes and the U.S. dollar loses all of its value, isn't the return to the gold standard inevitable? According to many reliable sources, a vast amount of the world's gold reserves are securely buried in locations all over the Philippines. If China finds itself still standing while the U.S. is in smouldering ruins, how could they resist completing what they have already begun to do? How could they resist conquering a territory so abundantly saturated with treasure while no one is left to stand in their way? It is at least something to consider these days. Any thoughts?

 

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[TommyB]

I think if there is a WWIII, the gold standard will be the least of our worries.

 

[msolomon]

I think if there is a WWIII, the gold standard will be the least of our worries.

Some people think that WW3 will end like Einstein predicted in his famous quote. Personally I don't think anyone is that stupid these days. If WW3 happens I doubt either country will resort to carpet bombing the other with nuclear weapons. Maybe, but I doubt it. The devastating effects this would have on the planet have been thoroughly studied and nuclear winter is pretty much elementary knowledge these days. Why would anyone go to war without hoping to come out alive and stronger on the other side? Clearly you can't do either if your natural environment is collapsing. Someone will win and some will survive to live in the world after. We see how the Chinese Communist Party treats those they consider to be "lesser races" within their own country. So especially for people who happen to be living in the Philippines it can be something to consider. Because with such a massive amount of gold at China's fingertips, China and its principles would undoubtedly rule the globe. The CCP would let no one get in their way of seizing the lands where they already know this gold is buried. What does that mean for the Filipino people? What does that mean for others living here? The possibilities do not paint a pretty picture, considering...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Some people think that WW3 will end like Einstein predicted in his famous quote. Personally I don't think anyone is that stupid these days. If WW3 happens I doubt either country will resort to carpet bombing the other with nuclear weapons. The devastating effects this would have on the planet have been thoroughly studied and nuclear winter is pretty much elementary knowledge these days. Why would anyone go to war without hoping to come out alive and stronger on the other side? Clearly you can't do either if your natural environment is collapsing. Someone will win and some will survive to live in the world after. We see how the Chinese Communist Party treats those they consider to be "lesser races" within their own country. So especially for people who happen to be living in the Philippines it can be something to consider. Because with such a massive amount of gold at China's fingertips, China and its principles would undoubtedly rule the globe. The CCP would let no one get in their way of seizing the lands where they already know this gold is buried. What does that mean for the Filipino people? What does that mean for others living here? The possibilities do not paint a pretty picture, considering...

No offense, but you have never been in military have you. A single nuke can set off a chain reaction that is automated and almost impossible to stop. A nuke hitting Washington DC would be all it takes, a Russian invasion in Europe, a Chinese invasion in Asia would lead to nuclear exchange, our subs and land based missile silos are under orders that can not be refused once command is initiated. Look up the "MAD" doctrine, Mutual Assured Destruction which both US and Russia have been under since early 50s and now China, MAD is now called nuclear deterrence. There would be no WW-III that does not include a nuclear exchange, tactical battle field nukes of which US and Russia each have hundreds would most likely lead to intercontinental nukes.

 

[Peyton Manning]

If your scenario happened, no one would care about gold or silver.

The only thing of value would be food. And weapons to take food or defend your own

 

[renantagum30]

your concerns mr mssolomon is very sharp and accurate. the observation is accurate and relevant to what is happening to china's manuever today. china is eyeing the philippines for a very long time in the hope of getting all the gold that are buried here by the japanese.

slowly and slowly, china is surveying philippines with the hope of conquering the archipelago in the next few years.

sooner or later, there will be a global reset and US dollar may no longer be used as a global currency. as to when , we dont know. i agree. china is busy stockpiling gold from philippine mines and other areas .

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

FYI, while in service I worked for Airforce intelligence on operational plans. The US would never stand idly by while China invaded Philippines any more than it would stsnd by while Japan was invaded..

 

[msolomon]

FYI, while in service I worked for Airforce intelligence on operational plans. The US would never stand idly by while China invaded Philippines any more than it would stsnd by while Japan was invaded..

Unfortunately these days one can only hope what you're saying is accurate. Where was the U.S. when China took the Scarborough Shoal? That is right next to Manila btw... Where was the U.S. when China took the Spratly Islands? Where is the U.S. now as China begins swarming Pag-asa Island and driving away Filipino fishermen? What's going on? Why is Trump busy forming a trade deal with Xi Jinping while China is already actively and systematically invading the Philippines? What you're saying, I'm sorry to say, but at this point it is the same old words and nothing but talk.

The time to act was a long time ago. Time to start playing the long game, like China always has. Focus on the gold.

 

[: Michael-Robert.]

Over the past several decades, China has boasted exponential economic growth to one day become the manufacturing and exporting hub of the world.
Western economists have watched the past 20 years with dismay as the Chinese economy’s annual GDP growth rate averaged 10%. The common consensus from Wall Street to the Beltway was that at that rate China would soon replace the United States as the world’s largest economy.
Some say Beijing already has. If you use GDP purchasing power parity (PPP), China edges out the U.S. with a GDP of $23.15 trillion to the United States’ $19.39 trillion. But while PPP may help costing, it excludes profits and doesn’t consider the different quality of goods among countries.


The best number for measurement is Nominal GDP, in which the United States still maintains a lead over the Asian giant: the United States’ $19.39 trillion economy over China’s $12.01 trillion economy.
The X Factor: Age

It stands to reason then, that it is only a matter of time before China surpasses the United States. However, in their optimistic forecasts of China’s economy, many economists overlook one crucial demographic variable that changes the entire equation: China has an aging population problem.
China’s median age is forecast to increase to 56 in 2050, while the U.S. will have a median age of 44. Historically, the younger an economy’s population structure, the stronger its vitality for economic innovation. As the median age rises in China and the proportion of the population age 65 and over increases, the economic growth rate could plummet.
In fact, China’s GDP growth slowed from 9.5% in 2011 to 6.6% in 2018. Certainly, some of the slowdown can be attributed to the ongoing trade war with the U.S., which hurts confidence and makes it less likely that consumers will spend. Again, one of the most important factors is China’s aging population.
Japan Has Endured the Same Phenomenon

In Japan, the total fertility rate from 1950 to 2016 was 1.77 births per female compared to 2.33 births in the United States. This led to a faster aging rate in Japan. According to Yi Fuxian, a columnist with Ink Stone, Japan’s GDP growth has been lower than America’s since 1992 (excepting 2010). Japan’s nominal GDP rose from 8% of the U.S. GDP in 1960 to 71% in 1995 and then fell to 24% in 2018.
China is on a similar path. Assuming China can stabilize its population growth rate at 1.2 births per female, China’s population will fall from 1.28 billion in 2019 to 1.08 billion in 2050. On the other hand, the U.S. population is expected to increase from 328 million in 2019 to 370 million in 2050.
Perhaps most important, China’s working-age population of 20 to 64 began to shrink in 2017, while the U.S. working-age population will not peak until 2050.
Unlikely for China to Overtake US Economy

Crunching the numbers, China will come close but not overtake the U.S. economy. China’s population is getting too old too fast for its economy to ever meaningfully catch up without massive social reforms in the country.
The biggest question, perhaps, is how will the Chinese economic slowdown affect China’s trading partners around the globe? According to the International Monetary Fund, China has been the biggest single contributor to worldwide economic growth for the past 10 years.
A sharp slowdown instead of a gradual one could have severe economic implications in the West. China still supplies the West with a large percentage of diverse goods including iron, steel, aluminum, textiles, cement, chemicals, toys, electronics, railcars, ships, aircraft and many other products.
An aging Chinese population could also cripple the relatively new Chinese middle class, making economic matters worse. As of 2012, 54% of China’s urban population earned between $9,000 and $16,000 per year. When adjusted for prices, that puts half the population squarely in the middle class.
A nation’s economic power is the truest form of realpolitik and shares just as much prestige as a country’s military or diplomatic might.
In terms of nominal GDP, the United States is still the world’s economic leader and has been so since at least 1916, when U.S. output overtook that of the British Empire. Based on the numbers, the U.S. is unlikely to lose its #1 spot anytime soon.

 

[msolomon]

[FONT=&]Over the past several decades, China has boasted exponential economic growth to one day become the manufacturing and exporting hub of the world.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Western economists have watched the past 20 years with dismay as the Chinese economy’s annual GDP growth rate averaged 10%. The common consensus from Wall Street to the Beltway was that at that rate China would soon replace the United States as the world’s largest economy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Some say Beijing already has. If you use GDP purchasing power parity (PPP), China edges out the U.S. with a GDP of $23.15 trillion to the United States’ $19.39 trillion. But while PPP may help costing, it excludes profits and doesn’t consider the different quality of goods among countries.[/FONT][FONT=&]

[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The best number for measurement is Nominal GDP, in which the United States still maintains a lead over the Asian giant: the United States’ $19.39 trillion economy over China’s $12.01 trillion economy.[/FONT]
The X Factor: Age

[FONT=&]It stands to reason then, that it is only a matter of time before China surpasses the United States. However, in their optimistic forecasts of China’s economy, many economists overlook one crucial demographic variable that changes the entire equation: China has an aging population problem.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]China’s median age is forecast to increase to 56 in 2050, while the U.S. will have a median age of 44. Historically, the younger an economy’s population structure, the stronger its vitality for economic innovation. As the median age rises in China and the proportion of the population age 65 and over increases, the economic growth rate could plummet.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]In fact, China’s GDP growth slowed from 9.5% in 2011 to 6.6% in 2018. Certainly, some of the slowdown can be attributed to the ongoing trade war with the U.S., which hurts confidence and makes it less likely that consumers will spend. Again, one of the most important factors is China’s aging population.[/FONT]
Japan Has Endured the Same Phenomenon

[FONT=&]In Japan, the total fertility rate from 1950 to 2016 was 1.77 births per female compared to 2.33 births in the United States. This led to a faster aging rate in Japan. According to Yi Fuxian, a columnist with Ink Stone, Japan’s GDP growth has been lower than America’s since 1992 (excepting 2010). Japan’s nominal GDP rose from 8% of the U.S. GDP in 1960 to 71% in 1995 and then fell to 24% in 2018.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]China is on a similar path. Assuming China can stabilize its population growth rate at 1.2 births per female, China’s population will fall from 1.28 billion in 2019 to 1.08 billion in 2050. On the other hand, the U.S. population is expected to increase from 328 million in 2019 to 370 million in 2050.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Perhaps most important, China’s working-age population of 20 to 64 began to shrink in 2017, while the U.S. working-age population will not peak until 2050.[/FONT]
Unlikely for China to Overtake US Economy

[FONT=&]Crunching the numbers, China will come close but not overtake the U.S. economy. China’s population is getting too old too fast for its economy to ever meaningfully catch up without massive social reforms in the country.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The biggest question, perhaps, is how will the Chinese economic slowdown affect China’s trading partners around the globe? According to the International Monetary Fund, China has been the biggest single contributor to worldwide economic growth for the past 10 years.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]A sharp slowdown instead of a gradual one could have severe economic implications in the West. China still supplies the West with a large percentage of diverse goods including iron, steel, aluminum, textiles, cement, chemicals, toys, electronics, railcars, ships, aircraft and many other products.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]An aging Chinese population could also cripple the relatively new Chinese middle class, making economic matters worse. As of 2012, 54% of China’s urban population earned between $9,000 and $16,000 per year. When adjusted for prices, that puts half the population squarely in the middle class.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]A nation’s economic power is the truest form of realpolitik and shares just as much prestige as a country’s military or diplomatic might.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]In terms of nominal GDP, the United States is still the world’s economic leader and has been so since at least 1916, when U.S. output overtook that of the British Empire. Based on the numbers, the U.S. is unlikely to lose its #1 spot anytime soon. View attachment 1699688 [/FONT]

Pompeo went to the Philippines recently and told Duterte that if there was ever an "armed attack" on the Philippines from China, then the U.S. would come to aid the Philippines. That was like handing an instruction booklet to China describing how to take the Philippines without getting the U.S. involved. The U.S. seems to be trying to avoid actually taking real action against China as they seize Philippine territory. It is a disgrace. Let's hope Duterte follows through with this promise:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...f-suicide-missions-to-protect-disputed-island

Then we will see how well the U.S. backs up their words. Its very odd to see Trump praising China and Xi Jinping so he can work his "art of the deal" and hopefully close a decent trade agreement. Meanwhile China has literally been chipping away at the Philippines for years. One island at a time. When does the U.S. jump in? Somewhere in the middle of this economic miracle Trump is dreaming of?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Unfortunately these days one can only hope what you're saying is accurate. Where was the U.S. when China took the Scarborough Shoal? That is right next to Manila btw... Where was the U.S. when China took the Spratly Islands? Where is the U.S. now as China begins swarming Pag-asa Island and driving away Filipino fishermen? What's going on? Why is Trump busy forming a trade deal with Xi Jinping while China is already actively and systematically invading the Philippines? What you're saying, I'm sorry to say, but at this point it is the same old words and nothing but talk.

The time to act was a long time ago. Time to start playing the long game, like China always has. Focus on the gold.

Those have been contested islands/ shoals for hundreds of years, Scarborough shoal claimed by China, Taiwan and Philippines has total of 32 sq feet of rock 50 sq miles of lagoon and sits 6 ft above sea level. Spratly islands are claimed by Philippines, China, Taiwan and Viet Nam. None worth fighting over with China.

FYI, my wife is born and raised Filipino and Naturalized US citizen, a legal immigrant. We are headed back for visit in July

 

[msolomon]

None worth fighting over with China.

Scarborough Shoal is 300 km from Manila, the capital city of the Philippines... Putting the whole of the Philippines under direct threat by cheap short-range Chinese missiles. That's a problem.

 

[: Michael-Robert.]

Pompeo went to the Philippines recently and told Duterte that if there was ever an "armed attack" on the Philippines from China, then the U.S. would come to aid the Philippines. That was like handing an instruction booklet to China describing how to take the Philippines without getting the U.S. involved. The U.S. seems to be trying to avoid actually taking real action against China as they seize Philippine territory. It is a disgrace. Let's hope Duterte follows through with this promise:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...f-suicide-missions-to-protect-disputed-island

Then we will see how well the U.S. backs up their words. Its very odd to see Trump praising China and Xi Jinping so he can work his "art of the deal" and hopefully close a decent trade agreement. Meanwhile China has literally been chipping away at the Philippines for years. One island at a time. When does the U.S. jump in? Somewhere in the middle of this economic miracle Trump is dreaming of?

All I can say is you are wrong with your assumptions and your source( guardian) is terrible (bias, fake news, brainwashing, etc..). And, This is not the proper forum for politics. So, i wont get into a long diatribe about this.

Have no fears, Patriots are on Duty.

 

[msolomon]

All I can say is you are wrong with your assumptions and your source( guardian) is terrible (bias, fake news, brainwashing, etc..). And, This is not the proper forum for politics. So, i wont get into a long diatribe about this.

Have no fears, Patriots are on Duty. View attachment 1699706

The point of the article was that China is swarming Pag-asa Island and Duterte threatened suicide missions. Don't get too caught up in the source because the news is every where in the Philippines. The question I asked before still remains "When does the U.S. jump in? Somewhere in the middle of this economic miracle Trump is dreaming of?".

The conversation gets political when discussing this matter but we're talking about a massive portion of the world's gold reserves so that's inevitable. Interestingly, it will also always be about treasure. Welcome to the Philippines, where politics and treasure always go hand in hand. But I hear you...

 

[XLV]

...I don't know were you all been the invasion started 2000 years ago and they all ready own it so that war over china won ... Its time the philippines brake its ties to the colonists and learn how to stand and fight no they quit and run every time ...And that Yamashita fairly tale is long gone ... if it ever existed in the first place ...The REAL TREASURE is palladium #1 north of negros worth trillions that worth fighting for ...Palladium is the future ...usa is no match to China that a joke you all seen them run like rabbits in korea ...how long the colonists been in Afghanistan for the lithium #2 i guess you all listen to fake news for the last 18 years ....Since this forum is about treasure some body should look into what China and usa are keeping secret in the visayan sea ...palladium has take off in price over the years ...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Thread is locked for politics.