1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

[dg39]

1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Humbert & Mairet. Movement. I believe this company made watches going back to at least 1730...
Marks inside ..
'DHC,' '3552,' '3362,' 'T15.'

Engraved Alexander M. "unreadable" Now verified as McGillivray.

Present of G. Washington

1791 Treaty-New York
(I do know 1791 was date of treaty with Creek Indian Nation.)

It is key wind, of course...
This watch has been given to be ID..ed
It could end up on national TV.
Any thing you might come up with..Please.
Sorry.these are the only photo's I have at the moment.
Thank You!!
DG

 

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[G.A.P.metal]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

hi dg39
beautyful old watch i live in N.Y. but know nothing on the watch or that treaty.
I googled treaty ny 1790 and a lot of stuff came up about the Creek indains so you should try that
Gary

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Wow dg!! Thats the Creek leader Alexander McGillivray.

I dont want to jinx this post by voting banner because anytime I vote it doesnt make it but

Banner all the way!!!!

 

[G.A.P.metal]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

I agree with bigcypresshunter
BANNER

 

[dg39]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Wow dg!! Thats the Creek leader Alexander McGillivray.

I dont want to jinx this post by voting banner because anytime I vote it doesnt make it but

Banner all the way!!!!

That is pretty much what I figured. I do know it is the real deal and have examined it closely.
Any one ..any more info. or questions? I need all the help I can get...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

That would be incredible just to hold that in my hand for a few seconds lol. Absolutely incredible if authentic. Ill bet the Indian Nation would pay big to get this back. Incredible piece of history. I will say no more because I dont want to jinx you. You need to post in Todays Finds and looking forward to seeing it on TV. The WII forum a little slow this week. Wait until everyone sees it.

 

[dg39]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Wow dg!! Thats the Creek leader Alexander McGillivray.

I dont want to jinx this post by voting banner because anytime I vote it doesnt make it but

Banner all the way!!!!

That is pretty much what I figured. I do know it is the real deal and have examined it closely.
Any one ..any more info. or questions? I need all the help I can get...

I thought you said it was unreadable? Well I hope the best.

Engraved Alexander M. "unreadable"

Present of G. Washington

I was not sure..My eyes are old...
DG

 

[IronSpike]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Watch on this link (GW) appears to be the same kind


http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/historical-figures-their-watches-522780.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

I was not sure..My eyes are old...
DG

I have old script alphabets on my other computer to compare but I think thats what it says.

I hope its the real deal and one of a kind presented to the chief. This will make good research.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

"He went to N.Y. with Alex McGillivray; there he was presented by Washington with a medal which was buried with him at Pass Christian" found this but I cant search. Im not on my computer.

 

[vhs07]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Stunning, and beautiful!

 

[GpSnoopy]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Wow. That's an amazing find. I can definitely make out the name McGillivary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_New_York

 

[dg39]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

I do know that it is authentic and also know some of it's history. It is from a fantastic small collection of items.
Would anyone venture to offer a reasonable value in their opinion? I placed the item to see if my thoughts could be backed up.They were. Any extra information would be welcome. It is a fantastic experience to hold something that may have been in the hands of a great Native American leader and given by our nations first president..As a Museum Director, I consider this site one of the best.
Keep the information coming!
.. Thank You to All!!
DG

 

[Gunrunner61]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Amazing....just amazing, As for as a price......How could you put a price on that! It's a one of a kind....Personally I think it should go to the Creek Nation. jmho

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Banner find, for sure !!

"J Alexander McGillivray (c. 1759-1793), a Creek Chief belonging to the Wind Clan of
the Upper Creek Indians, a Loyalist during the Revolution. From 1784 to his death in
1793, McGillivray, courted by merchants, speculators, filibusters, and by the governments
of Georgia, the United States, and Spain, enjoyed a career of international significance.
His chief interests were diplomacy, trade, planting, and drink. At one time he owned three
plantations and about sixty slaves. For a lively account of the state visit of McGillivray
to New York in July, 1790, see Schouler, History of the United States, vol. I, pp. 171-2."
Source: Full text of "New Letters Of Abigail Adams 1788 1801" (page 57)
http://www.archive.org/stream/newlettersofabig002627mbp/newlettersofabig002627mbp_djvu.txt

Don....

 

[Broken knee]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Nice, what is the story behind it did you find it or just getting an Id for someone else? HH
Broken Knee

 

[5woodluther]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

here's more info on McGillivay.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Alexander_McGillivray.aspx

There were other Indian leaders that also attended the summit in New York for the treaty. Possibly the best info would be via the govenment to see if there are any records of purchase for the wtach or watches if they were given to each Indian Leader that signed the treaty.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

I think the watch was presented to the chief himself. There should be record of the presentation.

Amazing....just amazing, As for as a price......How could you put a price on that! It's a one of a kind....Personally I think it should go to the Creek Nation. jmho

Nowadays Eastern Indians have money. At least the Seminoles here have more than plenty and I think they are Creeks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminole. There is no need to donate to the rich but I agree the Indians should have an equal opportunity to purchase it, if it goes on sale..

Who knows, they may want to purchase it just to destroy it with all the broken promises/treaties.

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Oh My what a fantastic watch.

 

[umrgolf]

Re: 1791 Treaty--New York Cased silver watch. Need information.Humbert & Mairet.

Nice, what is the story behind it did you find it or just getting an Id for someone else? HH
Broken Knee

Amazing piece dg39 .. I would also like to hear the story behind how you acquired this watch Yard sale/flea market/auction?