πŸ₯‡ BANNER 1804 Dollar......No jokin' About This Token!!!

ironhorse

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Hey hey diggers!
It's been a minute since I posted some finds but this one was just too good not to share!
Spent a few good hours on a site Iron Patch and I discovered last week...check his post Old Louis and George Bros. and you'll get the idea.
Our second stab produced equally as good and maybe better results in finds and quality.
In a couple of hunts the early British colonial site gave me my best finds while IPs best were from the Acadian sites only meters away in the very same field.
Best results for my efforts were two early militia buttons from our area St John's Volunteers and Island St Johns Provincials...both desirable buttons! A blowhole artillery and a WWl army insignia were found at later sites in adjacent fields on the same day.
The spinner watch fob wax seal matrix was an awesome find...super condition and a beautiful stone...orangey red...carnelian maybe? I'm showing both sides..
It's that nice !
And....the big one! 1804 dollar..five shillings Bank of England . What a first for me! Big ole silver in really nice shape.
Interesting find...theres a "JP" counterstamp on George's neck and you can make out elements of the Spanish American 8 reales these were overstruck on and the under type is visible in areas...along with a couple of plough kisses she's a beauty!
Hopefully I'll get back out again soon and have some more great finds to share with all of you!
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lenmac65

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I hope this post gets a banner next; my vote is already in. I think 18th and early 19th century British silver coins are rare finds here in the states. I occasionally see KGIII coins, but they are coppers. I have seen Spanish 8-reales get a banner, and deservedly so. This coin is equally worthy, or more so, in my opinion. A large and glorious silver piece most will never dig. Good luck!
 
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I hope this post gets a banner next; my vote is already in. I think 18th and early 19th century British silver coins are rare finds here in the states. I occasionally see KGIII coins, but they are coppers. I have seen Spanish 8-reales get a banner, and deservedly so. This coin is equally worthy, or more so, in my opinion. A large and glorious silver piece most will never dig. Good luck!
I like that..." large and glorious " ..my thoughts exactly!
Thanks lenmac
 

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That wax seal is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen! 😳
Congrats on the Bank of England 1804 Five Shillings Dollar too.
Dave
 
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That wax seal is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen! 😳
Congrats on the Bank of England 1804 Five Shillings Dollar too.
Dave
Of the many fobs I have, this is by far the nicest one I've found.
We only get to see a few every year posted here so we shall cherish the ones we get to see!
Thank you Dave
 
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I was just looking around some other bank tokens from BofE and saw this one...an 1813 1 shilling and 6 pence and the counter mark is the same as my 5 shillings...the "JP" mark must have been used on different denominations of coins in that time period...a step closer in the right direction for an attribution on this this c/s
 

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I was just looking around some other bank tokens from BofE and saw this one...an 1813 1 shilling and 6 pence and the counter mark is the same as my 5 shillings...the "JP" mark must have been used on different denominations of coins in that time period...a step closer in the right direction for an attribution on this this c/s
I think it's something to do with a silver smith 'JP' testing and proving that its silver, as its an unusual coin to see in circulation. I know they did the same with blank silver coins so people could still use there weight in silver even when the coin had no identifying features.
 
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I think it's something to do with a silver smith 'JP' testing and proving that its silver, as its an unusual coin to see in circulation. I know the did the same with blank silver coins so people could still use there weight in silver even when the coin had no identifying features.
well that is interesting....
I think it's something to do with a silver smith 'JP' testing and proving that its silver, as its an unusual coin to see in circulation. I know the did the same with blank silver coins so people could still use there weight in silver even when the coin had no identifying features.
well that is interesting!
I had another find from the site that I discovered days later when I went through my 'scraps'. I initially thought it was a damaged button in the field but found out it was a silver piece! It appeared to have marks punched into it and also a distinctive 'W' mark as well. ( I have another from a different site with the 'W' I found years ago)
It is merely a flake of silver weighing just over a gram. I often wondered if silversmiths were creating money out of necessity for the open market...perhaps they did to a degree.
This would give a plausible explanation to this curious piece I have.
Great info...thanks
 

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Hey hey diggers!
It's been a minute since I posted some finds but this one was just too good not to share!
Spent a few good hours on a site Iron Patch and I discovered last week...check his post Old Louis and George Bros. and you'll get the idea.
Our second stab produced equally as good and maybe better results in finds and quality.
In a couple of hunts the early British colonial site gave me my best finds while IPs best were from the Acadian sites only meters away in the very same field.
Best results for my efforts were two early militia buttons from our area St John's Volunteers and Island St Johns Provincials...both desirable buttons! A blowhole artillery and a WWl army insignia were found at later sites in adjacent fields on the same day.
The spinner watch fob wax seal matrix was an awesome find...super condition and a beautiful stone...orangey red...carnelian maybe? I'm showing both sides..
It's that nice !
And....the big one! 1804 dollar..five shillings Bank of England . What a first for me! Big ole silver in really nice shape.
Interesting find...theres a "JP" counterstamp on George's neck and you can make out elements of the Spanish American 8 reales these were overstruck on and the under type is visible in areas...along with a couple of plough kisses she's a beauty!
Hopefully I'll get back out again soon and have some more great finds to share with all of you! View attachment 2024009 View attachment 2024010 View attachment 2024011 View attachment 2024012 View attachment 2024013 View attachment 2024014
Holy banner batman!
 

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well that is interesting....

well that is interesting!
I had another find from the site that I discovered days later when I went through my 'scraps'. I initially thought it was a damaged button in the field but found out it was a silver piece! It appeared to have marks punched into it and also a distinctive 'W' mark as well. ( I have another from a different site with the 'W' I found years ago)
It is merely a flake of silver weighing just over a gram. I often wondered if silversmiths were creating money out of necessity for the open market...perhaps they did to a degree.
This would give a plausible explanation to this curious piece I have.
Great info...thanks
Pretty sure you have a blank coin (not sure what denomination or Country it came from, might be British) like mine that are mostly sixpences (at one point);
Note that some have official Silver Smith Makers Marks (in cartouche's) & others less official counterstamps like your JP.
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Pretty sure you have a blank coin (not sure what denomination or Country it came from, might be British) like mine that are mostly sixpences (at one point);
Note that some have official Silver Smith Makers Marks (in cartouche's) & others less official counterstamps like your JP. View attachment 2026932
Excellent collection!
I know I'll look at those in a different light when they pop up next time.
Very hard to attribute but interesting just the same.
 

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Excellent collection!
I know I'll look at those in a different light when they pop up next time.
Very hard to attribute but interesting just the same.
Nearly impossible to attribute.
 
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Hey hey diggers!
....my jaw just dropped a minute ago...
I open up ole Tnet and I'm a new 'golden thread'.....promoted from silver to gold ain't bad.
My many thanks to the thread supporters and all the ones who gave a thumbs up!
These opportunities are seldom and the finds have be of a certain calibre to be considered for this honour, and for this I am grateful having had the honour of sharing it with you.
 

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Took it's time but finally the banner you deserve.:icon_thumright:
 

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Very nice find thanks for sharing
 

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Such a fantastic hunt.....I keep looking through your finds, and one could argue for multiple banners in one hunt....great work ironhorse....congrats !!
 

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