2 for 1 SALE: Nokta-up vs. Whinelab

[ZombieKnot]

Why can I buy 2 Nokta Legend complete kits with blue tooth head phones; $500-600 each, for a single Whinelab detector that runs $2000 msrp and no extra coils or accessories. Does the Aussie made stuff detect twice as deep as a Nocturn Makbro Legume 'cause I dont get it. Does the EX Dousch ll have fewer tech adjustments on screen by half the Manglecore? What is going on in the price market for a Deux to be half the cost and be within 3 inches of depth to a Mantibore? Did I bump into a ZOMBIE and feel light headed, like I'm missing something? $2000 for greener grass? HELP me get a handle on this. They ALL have the same FCC restricted power output of <30dbma right, so how does "more power" claims work? 1.3khz-147khz is still dual frequency transmit and receive for most of these. Whats the diff? Software or Algorithms cant be that much? Curious.

 

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[Kray Gelder]

Why can I buy 2 Nokta Legend complete kits with blue tooth head phones; $500-600 each, for a single Whinelab detector that runs $2000 msrp and no extra coils or accessories. Does the Aussie made stuff detect twice as deep as a Nocturn Makbro Legume 'cause I dont get it. Does the EX Dousch ll have fewer tech adjustments on screen by half the Manglecore? What is going on in the price market for a Deux to be half the cost and be within 3 inches of depth to a Mantibore? Did I bump into a ZOMBIE and feel light headed, like I'm missing something? $2000 for greener grass? HELP me get a handle on this. They ALL have the same FCC restricted power output of <30dbma right, so how does "more power" claims work? 1.3khz-147khz is still dual frequency transmit and receive for most of these. Whats the diff? Software or Algorithms cant be that much? Curious.

Why the derogatory aliases for fine machines in their own right? One gets what they pay for. I only have an "antique" F-75, and it does all right for a part-time enthusiast, but have seen thousands of posts here by members using the machines disrespected above, showing their discoveries. They all do very well. The differences are weight, ergonomics, durability, reliability, more sophisticated electronics, wireless ability, customizable software, processor speed and flexibility.

Look at those here with long lists of banner finds, huge successes at the beach, and look at what they are using. Generally, you're going to find the high-end machines.

 

[Emil W]

If you believe your writing style conveys serious concern, sorry, I don't get it. It's difficult to take your questions as genuine concerns, as opposed to just being the unfocused rant that it appears to be.

Rather than trying to appear clever, why not ask your questions clearly? Then you'll be more likely to receive serious opinions.

 

[Doubter in MD]

This is not a legitimate post, in my opinion. Based on the insulting names you posted regarding Minelab, it reads like a troll post. And it appears that you already have a strong opinion. I have trouble believing you're curious at all.

 

[ZombieKnot]

This is not a legitimate post, in my opinion. Based on the insulting names you posted regarding Minelab, it reads like a troll post. And it appears that you already have a strong opinion. I have trouble believing you're curious at all.

It's called HUMOR. Made FUNNY names of other detectors, too. Was not being derogatory as exemplified by the Zombie sentence. Have a concern that the price for new top of the line machines doesn't really improve the hobby at such a price point. I run a White's Spectra 3 and have all the features of the Minestab AND a color screen with the 2D graph that is almost 10 years old. It's cost new was like the Deux ll and not exorbitant as I think the Manticore is for the product provided. I remember reaching 10-18 inches TWENTY YEARS AGO for much less machine(Tesoro) and am curious why a $2000 product does not have that many new features. I am impressed by its receiver circuitry for heavy iron mineralization, good show and all; but... Maybe if you could save some money from exorbitant suppliers some might be able to buy a sense of humor. Not getting the joke should not mean kill the messenger. Could i say you are following my example of criticism also?

 

[ZombieKnot]

Clearly asking these questions then...
Why does the Manticore have so many problems like high tone falseing when on high iron soils? Why are so many people complaining about the headphones not being water proof to the point of failure from a light sprinkle that lets one drop of rain kill them? Why are there so many operators having to charge and run their bluetooth head phones on wires because of failure of the transmitter after two weeks of use? Then they contact Minelab for service and are told to send the detector and head phones back? Shipping the whole kit can be costly. Why are so many complaining about the wind whistle from said headgear that prevents low signal recognition? Why do you have to run the backlight at all times in direct sunlight to see the screen? Why do you have to run Ground Balance Tracking at all times instead of the initial balance when first entering a field? Why does the YouTube community have so many videos about small iron nails not being filtered out such that some cant hunt in trashy locations when they had no problem with a Equinox 900/800/700 in the same field? Why do so many complain of a loss of performance in plowed fields, construction sites with graded soils, planter beds, tilled or aerated lawns? Is this drop out of depth due to software or voids? Why does the sensitivity go to 35 when it redlines at 30 and really can't be used past 25 due to excessive chatty second signals? why do i read every experienced owner is unhappy that the higher sensitivity can be used only in ideal soil situations? One out of ten hunts i go on in colorado are ideal soil and the rest on always changing geology. Why does turning down the sensitivity reduce depth of recovery so much? Shouldn't it just be called depth adjust? Why do minelab owners act so defensive about legitimate criticism of the products and respond so judge mentally as to make one feel they should not dare to complain? Is it because they spent so much money on a toy and you are taking their superiority rating from them that playing with it brings resentment? I tried to ask questions about the advertised [more power] when it is regulated by the FCC for all machines and was not taken seriously due to jokes i am not sorry i made; Got Humor? Calabash Digger can not use his manticore due to false signals. Mental Metal Detecting had to contact the factory for a machine manual that can only be downloaded due to a lack of specificity of the book that came in the box. Hidden History Hunter has not found any object in plowed fields deeper than 10 inches. Metal Detecting NYC suggests it is the finest beach machine ever then goes on with a littany of soil failures i am paraphrasing here. List goes on about problems from such an expensive device, yes it's new, but damn!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Metal detector's power is not limited by FCC, FCC doesn't regulate or care about metal detector power, the FCC cares about electric field gradient and detectors transmit a magnetic field there is no FCC reg that limits detector field strength.

Detectors are limited by ground noise, the more power transmitted the more ground noise you pick up, if a company can invent or find a better way to filter out ground noise or transmit more power without increasing the receive ground noise then you will get more depth.

Sensitivity settings depends on soil conditions, ground noise and EMI, detector may be able to run at sense of 20 in one location and 30 at a different location.

Just buy a Legend, you obviously are anti Minelab.

 

[Seabees]

Clearly asking these questions then...
Why does the Manticore have so many problems like high tone falseing when on high iron soils? Why are so many people complaining about the headphones not being water proof to the point of failure from a light sprinkle that lets one drop of rain kill them? Why are there so many operators having to charge and run their bluetooth head phones on wires because of failure of the transmitter after two weeks of use? Then they contact Minelab for service and are told to send the detector and head phones back? Shipping the whole kit can be costly. Why are so many complaining about the wind whistle from said headgear that prevents low signal recognition? Why do you have to run the backlight at all times in direct sunlight to see the screen? Why do you have to run Ground Balance Tracking at all times instead of the initial balance when first entering a field? Why does the YouTube community have so many videos about small iron nails not being filtered out such that some cant hunt in trashy locations when they had no problem with a Equinox 900/800/700 in the same field? Why do so many complain of a loss of performance in plowed fields, construction sites with graded soils, planter beds, tilled or aerated lawns? Is this drop out of depth due to software or voids? Why does the sensitivity go to 35 when it redlines at 30 and really can't be used past 25 due to excessive chatty second signals? why do i read every experienced owner is unhappy that the higher sensitivity can be used only in ideal soil situations? One out of ten hunts i go on in colorado are ideal soil and the rest on always changing geology. Why does turning down the sensitivity reduce depth of recovery so much? Shouldn't it just be called depth adjust? Why do minelab owners act so defensive about legitimate criticism of the products and respond so judge mentally as to make one feel they should not dare to complain? Is it because they spent so much money on a toy and you are taking their superiority rating from them that playing with it brings resentment? I tried to ask questions about the advertised [more power] when it is regulated by the FCC for all machines and was not taken seriously due to jokes i am not sorry i made; Got Humor? Calabast Digger can not use his manticore due to false signals. Mental Metal Detecting had to contact the factory for a machine manual that can only be downloaded due to a lack of specificity of the book that came in the box. Hidden History Hunter has not found any object in plowed fields deeper than 10 inches. Metal Detecting NYC suggests it is the finest beach machine ever then goes on with a littany of soil failures i am paraphrasing here. List goes on about problems from such an expensive device, yes it's new, but damn!

So when are you going to order your Manticore ?

 

[ZombieKnot]

Metal detector's power is not limited by FCC, FCC doesn't regulate or care about metal detector power, the FCC cares about electric field gradient and detectors transmit a magnetic field there is no FCC reg that limits detector field strength.

Detectors are limited by ground noise, the more power transmitted the more ground noise you pick up, if a company can invent or find a better way to filter out ground noise or transmit more power without increasing the receive ground noise then you will get more depth.

Sensitivity settings depends on soil conditions, ground noise and EMI, detector may be able to run at sense of 20 in one location and 30 at a different location.

Just buy a Legend, you obviously are anti Minelab.

Beg to differ as there are FCC compliance stuff in most booklets, you know, fine print on last pages, compliance stickers inside head units, etc. These devices transmit frequencies in kilohertz(khz), that can interfere with electronic devices so the power output from the transmit coil is regulated. Metal Detecting NYC has a chart of FCC limits in one of his new videos, is he a liar subject to liability for an income generating source? Please search the interweb for FCC limits of transmission of electromagnetic frequencies. Anyone have trouble with different machines interfering signals while hunting the same area? That's the stuff! Some times your corrections ain't so correct. I owned a M-lab Sovereign ll and traded it for a White's Spectra 3. Feel i got the better deal. Not anti this or that just don't appreciate a company selling machines for $2000 with so many bugs (and no small coil availability), with-More Power-printed on the box and advertised so, etc.
Waiting for your answers EMIL W!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The manual stating detector Complies with FCC rules part 15 does not mean the tx power of detector is limited.

Below is page from Nox Manual.

Here read this thread, Carl-NC explains it much better.

Detector power limits

I'm really not up on detector electronics beyond putting new batteries in. What I wonder is how much power can detectors use or produce and what is the legal limit? There must be some kind of limit so as not to mess up other common electronic devices used by everyone. Now if we had no limits...

www.treasurenet.com

 

[Emil W]

Beg to differ as there are FCC compliance stuff in most booklets, you know, fine print on last pages, compliance stickers inside head units, etc. These devices transmit frequencies in kilohertz(khz), that can interfere with electronic devices so the power output from the transmit coil is regulated. Metal Detecting NYC has a chart of FCC limits in one of his new videos, is he a liar subject to liability for an income generating source? Please search the interweb for FCC limits of transmission of electromagnetic frequencies. Anyone have trouble with different machines interfering signals while hunting the same area? That's the stuff! Some times your corrections ain't so correct. I owned a M-lab Sovereign ll and traded it for a White's Spectra 3. Feel i got the better deal. Not anti this or that just don't appreciate a company selling machines for $2000 with so many bugs (and no small coil availability), with-More Power-printed on the box and advertised so, etc.
Waiting for your answers EMIL W!

I don't have a clue why you'd assume I'd have a response. I simply stated you'll be more likely to receive serious opinions if your questions were more succinct and if you abandoned your sophomoric attempt at humor.

Personally, I generally don't join in futile attempts to change the mind of anyone who's opinion already appears firmly set.

My only comment on the subject is that the anecdotal evidence you've provided so far is simply that--anecdotal. Anecdotes differ greatly depending on the individuals' perspective and experiences. Anecdotes serve little purpose in proving one product's capabilities over another's. That require statistics, or at the very least, personally testing each product to see how it preforms for you. So, if you're choosing to use anecdotes to make your determination about the abilities of a specific detector, good for you--you've found the answer you're looking for. Others, including myself, consider more than what our next door neighbor says about his machine.

 

[ZombieKnot]

I don't have a clue why you'd assume I'd have a response. I simply stated you'll be more likely to receive serious opinions if your questions were more succinct and if you abandoned your sophomoric attempt at humor.

Personally, I generally don't join in futile attempts to change the mind of anyone who's opinion already appears firmly set.

My only comment on the subject is that the anecdotal evidence you've provided so far is simply that--anecdotal. Anecdotes differ greatly depending on the individuals' perspective and experiences. Anecdotes serve little purpose in proving one product's capabilities over another's. That require statistics, or at the very least, personally testing each product to see how it preforms for you. So, if you're choosing to use anecdotes to make your determination about the abilities of a specific detector, good for you--you've found the answer you're looking for. Others, including myself, consider more than what our next door neighbor says about his machine.

This whole website is based on anecdotal exchanges. Mute rant like me? Listed personal test experiences by other authors for reference to my criticisms. If you choose to ignore referred experience you wont change either. Not trying to prove anything, just explaining a point of view that has easily irritated you. Think my approach is opinionated; am considering acquiring one in future due to its many circuit features not found in other machines, like the computer chip installed at the coil. But will do the smart job and wait for company to put out "improved version" of software. Then purchase used-of course. Are you able to realize this thread was started as feedback?(That could be seen by Minelab.) Until then am happy with my V3i coil selection. When is last time Minecrab put out a software update for ANY machine, please?
So we are not allowed to make people smile on this site; can trot on over to detectorprospector.com or mentalmetaldetecting.com where humor is commented on as either "good one", or not.

 

[sprailroad]

Our Dearest "ZombieKnot". Seems as though you have mastered the "Youtube", so...how are you on operating a metal detector.