200 yrs old? Pirate? Native? Or religious? Any hidden meaning? Treasure map?

[Joecoins]

Hello,
I have something real special,
Purchased at a fleamarket in quebec.
It was literaly tangled with a bunch of stuff and i had to cut some other peices to get it loose from the pile.

I need help finding out its purpose and significance.
Please take a look at the photos ,its worth it!
I included a photo with important notes i have made on the peice.
Thanks in advance.
!!!!New and better photos, Beads page 8, Coins pg9.!!!!!
New photos again! Page 11

 

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[Joecoins]

So far ive tried, The Met, The smithsonian, The museum of man, The hispanic society, sobeys, christies, barnbeys, heritage auctions, many other museums and a few universities, i cant remember right now, various other appraisers who sometimes got mad the museum gave me there number, they say they gota see it in person, and they gotta charge! One lady even went on about how prestigeous her services are and how she apraises stuff in museums you gota wear gloves n all, anyways if you have any other good leads please share
Main thing the services gota be free or cheap im on my own and on unemployment currently i have very little funds,

 

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[Joecoins]

Treasure net is my best resource, i know some people here can look at rocks and see a treasure map( with warnings about Death traps etc...), well who can look at all the symbols on my medal?

 

[releventchair]

A monk I met years ago made Rosaries.
Perhaps a Catholic priest or school / seminary could have some ideas?

 

[Joecoins]

Already tried the church historian on pei, in my own research ive learned that there were guild set up in france spain etc, specificaly for rosaries, one guild for wood, one guild shell / bone- ivory, one guild metal(gold), the guilds made there own iron tools in house, one person specializing in each part of the process, like one soldering, one casting, one carving, one polishing, all this info is hard to come by and no examples of the metal beads from the guild are known as far as i can find in my research.

 

[Joecoins]

Well the MET did get back to me quickly the last time i emailed the medieval department, although they said it apears to be a different time frame , they suggested contacting the benedictine congregation... Well its not that easy......the experts often judge too quickly...

 

[Joecoins]

Ok , new info, for those that can help..
First ill admit im wrong its not gold. I left Prince edward island. I am now in Montreal with family for the holidays.
I went to Montreal Gold stock, And had my Necklace tested by Xrf, The machine he used was not a handheld it was a large device he put the necklace inside of. (Oxford Strata 980). Before the test he said it wasnt gold, but I explained my intentions were to identify the age and origin, he admitted his machine would not tell me the exact alloy... I think his machine only tests for 6 or 8 elements... I told him in the very least it would help to know if it was brass indeed , if it had lead in it could help date it.(i gathered this information from Tnet and my own research,correct me if im wrong). Any ways the results of the test showed no gold, no silver, no lead, although he did not test all the beads of interest. He tested the amulate and one cross bead, changing between the two. The result were : Zn 19.7 , Cu 58.8. ,thats about 80% of the composition the other 20% his device could not test for.... I do intend to try and get it tested again sometime within the next two weeks while i am in Montreal, (currently looking for someone else with Xrf). I want to know 100% of the alloy what it is... Anyways i have done research into the many types of brass and what the compositions are. Still i can not find an alloy including 59% Copper and 20% Zinc. Can anyone help me identify this alloy

 

[cw0909]

maybe this read will help, when you fig the rest of the metal composition out
an expensive book, maybe you can find it at a museum or university
a preview of, Ancient Metals: Microstructure and Metallurgy, Volume 1 By David A. Scott
https://books.google.com/books?id=m...6#v=onepage&q=59% Copper and 20% Zinc&f=false

adding txt
searching 59% Copper and 20% Zinc
got this too,maybe a co. like Olin is nearby an has a XRF
http://olinbrass.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Olin-Brass-Mill-Products-Copper-Alloy-Guide.pdf

 

[ivan salis]

on the jesus figure coin -- the "heart" on the rear might be the old Jesuit symbol for the "heart of Christ" ...or for a wine jug --that held wine for communion

it might have some parts that were hand made one off type "custom" pieces made long ago -- thus it might not have a "commonly known" exact metal mix of one type or another

to me it seems that various items from several different times were gathered together and "blended" into one item by a person for their own use ..to me it seems old and quite cool as well

 

[ARC]

Thought I posted Bronze in the beginning. ?

But what do I know.

 

[Joecoins]

Thought I posted Bronze in the beginning. ?

But what do I know.

Yes you did, but you also said gun bronze, from my research it doesnt fall into the catagory of gun bronze, anyways i know you apear quite knowledgeable, never found out what your credentials are though, i couldnt just accept your geus of it beign bronze without doing some research now could I..., i like to hope for the best, who can blame me, never did i disregard your geus on the alloy, hope this didnt somehow offend you

 

[villagenut]

Yes you did, but you also said gun bronze, from my research it doesnt fall into the catagory of gun bronze, anyways i know you apear quite knowledgeable, never found out what your credentials are though, i couldnt just accept your geus of it beign bronze without doing some research now could I..., i like to hope for the best, who can blame me, never did i disregard your geus on the alloy, hope this didnt somehow offend you

AARC get offended? ...........Cmon

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

When you had it tested did you do individual pieces or the whole group? The beads may be very different age and composition from the other bits. The machine would have averaged whatever parts were "visible" to the x-ray beam.

I used to work at an iron and brass foundry and the brass/bronze had to be assayed based on what we were adding to the melt. Recycled pieces or purchased scrap would have the alloy all over the board. I'm sure a less critical use like jewelry they were less precise. Presumably the piece you have was made before firms like Rotometals or DuraBar were available to order specific ingots from. They might not have shopped at "Bronze-R-us" to buy a specific alloy ingot. Probably mixed up what was on hand from various sources. You're getting into the manganese bronze range with those levels of copper & zinc.

 

[Joecoins]

Only tested two spots, the amulate and bead, he switched between the two mid test, i would like to test more peices of it but the guy realy wasnt interested or helpful. He actualy scratched the surface in the two visible spots and left marks, wich bothered me alot, he could of picked more hidden spots...... *Charlie P. I think your right aswell that there will be different compositions, as there is alot of variations in color and some beads are slighty magnetic (polarized?) Wont stick but are pulled when hanging near a rare earth magnet.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

From Wiki:

Brass
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Brass is a metal alloy made of copper and zinc; the proportions of zinc and copper can be varied to create a range of brasses with varying properties.[1] It is a substitutional alloy: atoms of the two constituents may replace each other within the same crystal structure.
By comparison, bronze is principally an alloy of copper and tin.[2] However, bronze and brass may also include small proportions of a range of other elements including arsenic, phosphorus, aluminium, manganese, and silicon. The term is also applied to a variety of brasses, and the distinction is largely historical.[3] Modern practice in museums and archaeology increasingly avoids both terms for historical objects in favour of the all-embracing "copper alloy".[4]


Too bad we dont know the other 21%