Age of Bridle Rosette?

[mangum]

Hello all. I found this at a site today that goes back to the 1700s. I'm pretty sure its a rosette, you can see where something was attached to the back on the left & right side. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. There is still a little silver gilt left on the front & back. A buddy of mine thinks its colonial. What do you think? Thanks ahead for any input & HH!

 

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[BosnMate]

Could be a bridal rosette, and if it is, they have been around for a long long time. Hard to come up with a solid date. But you say it was silver plated. I know there was wash plating before electrical plating, but I don't know if plating was around during the colonial era. Somebody will know thought.

 

[mangum]

Could be a bridal rosette, and if it is, they have been around for a long long time. Hard to come up with a solid date. But you say it was silver plated. I know there was wash plating before electrical plating, but I don't know if plating was around during the colonial era. Somebody will know thought.

It is gilt, not plated. Plating wasn't perfected until the 1840s. It wasn't around in colonial times. Hopefully someone can chime in to give some general idea of a time period. Thanks for the input

 

[mangum]

Surprised no one has any input on this

 

[CRUSADER]

looks dandy button to me - 1780s (ish)

 

[mangum]

looks dandy button to me - 1780s (ish)

Cru - There's no evidence of a shank whatsoever. That's what I though at first but it's not a button. It's hard to see in the photo but there are spots on the left & right side where something was attached. The left side has more visible corrosion. So, that's why I think it's some sort of rosette. With that being said are you still thinking late 18th century? Thanks for the input.

 

[Erving]

I hope someone can ID this because I found the same thing a couple years ago at a colonial cellar hole. It is not a button. There's no indication that a shank was ever attached.

 

[mangum]

I hope someone can ID this because I found the same thing a couple years ago at a colonial cellar hole. It is not a button. There's no indication that a shank was ever attached. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=904989"/><img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=904990"/>

Wow Erving that is exactly the same! I guess that helps me date this item. Hopefully someone will chime in although I'm leaning towards a bridle rosette.

 

[Erving]

Wow Erving that is exactly the same! I guess that helps me date this item. Hopefully someone will chime in although I'm leaning towards a bridle rosette.

Hey magnum. I don't know what they are, but I don't believe they are rosettes. Besides being too thin, they have a design on the back as well as the front. Hopefully someone will recognize them, and we can get an ID.

 

[mangum]

Hey magnum. I don't know what they are, but I don't believe they are rosettes. Besides being too thin, they have a design on the back as well as the front. Hopefully someone will recognize them, and we can get an ID.

I sent the photos to a friend that is very knowledgable in colonial era relics & he thinks its a rosette. Here is what he had to offer;
Looks like a rosette to me. Definitely early. Mid-1700's maybe. The ones from the 1800's tend to be heavier, typically lead-filled. Stuff from the mid to late 1700's was amazingly light-weight. I think metal was more valuable at that time. Some of the military belt plates and sash buckles from that era make you wonder how they could survive any kind of activity

 

[relicmeister]

I found a rosette just yesterday- 2 1/4" in diameter, the attaching bar still intact. It is very thin with a rim, no design, but must have been a reflective surface as some
remains. I have no idea what age mine is- Yours is much more interesting!

 

[CRUSADER]

Cru - There's no evidence of a shank whatsoever. That's what I though at first but it's not a button. It's hard to see in the photo but there are spots on the left & right side where something was attached. The left side has more visible corrosion. So, that's why I think it's some sort of rosette. With that being said are you still thinking late 18th century? Thanks for the input. View attachment 904987

Hard one, not much sign of it being a rosette either

 

[creskol]

Given the relative thinness, the attachment arrangement, and the Greek Key designed border, my guess is that it was more than likely a brooch or pin rather than a rosette.

 

[mangum]

I found a couple of examples online that are generally the same thickness. I searched 18th century bridle rosette.

 

[creskol]

I found a couple of examples online that are generally the same thickness. I searched 18th century bridle rosette.

The attachment placement just doesn't appear to be consistent with those on rosettes. The one on the bottom has a tinned backing, so it isn't an 18th or early 19th century rosette. Can't tell about the one in the top photo, but from what I can see, it isn't that early either.

 

[mangum]

The attachment placement just doesn't appear to be consistent with those on rosettes. The one on the bottom has a tinned backing, so it isn't an 18th or early 19th century rosette. Can't tell about the one in the top photo, but from what I can see, it isn't that early either.

I guess it will be a mystery until someone posts something like this that's intact

 

[NVNutcase]

Don't have one that's just like yours, but for a reference, here are the ones I found this year and they are all from an 1870's site.

 

[mangum]

Don't have one that's just like yours, but for a reference, here are the ones I found this year and they are all from an 1870's site. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=906191"/> <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=906192"/>

Thanks for sharing, quite a collection you have there. Nice!

 

[Qwest]

I got one identical to the op, I took a picture of mine on Google lens and it brought me to this old thread!

 

[Radon]

What does the back look like? Another picture please!