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I was wondering if any of you buckle guys or relic guys could help me out.
Would this little buckle be considered a colonial shoe buckle?
If not, what type of buckle would this be?
What age does this style of buckle have?
Thanks for looking & I appreciate any & all help.
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That type of brass buckle, being made of stamped-brass (not cast), with a "floating" two-toothed bar at its center, is an 1850s-&-later men's pantswaist tightener buckle. It is also used on the tightener-strap on the back of a man's vest. See the photos below.

In the mid-1800s these buckles were mostly made in France and Britain. Many have been dug which have a raised marking saying "Paris" or "Solide" or a mid-1800s date, such as 1859. I should mention, they are still being made and used on men's pants and vests today.
I'm going to slightly disagree, as it doesn't look stamped to me, I'm going older - late 18th C.
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Likely a stock or knee buckle. Shoe buckles usually are curved and bigger.
Ok thank you, when you say stock buckle, are you meaning stocking buckle? What kinda time period you think this little buckle was used? Thanks.
 
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That type of brass buckle, being made of stamped-brass (not cast), with a "floating" two-toothed bar at its center, is an 1850s-&-later men's pantswaist tightener buckle. It is also used on the tightener-strap on the back of a man's vest. See the photos below.

In the mid-1800s these buckles were mostly made in France and Britain. Many have been dug which have a raised marking saying "Paris" or "Solide" or a mid-1800s date, such as 1859. I should mention, they are still being made and used on men's pants and vests today.
 

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Was there different styles of these buckles? I'm just curious as why the buckle I pictured, has the other piece below the floating teeth.
 
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There are several variations of the buckle's basic form. I haven't previously seen one exactly like yours. The image below shows the original 1855 US Patent diagram for another version. The French produced the two-toothed floating bar version a few years later.
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Nice find KS, your buckle looks to be a very early version of a pants buckle. :thumbsup:
Great historical patent info provided by ThecannonballGuy.

Here's an example I found years ago, similar to the buckle design TCG describes.
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That type of brass buckle, being made of stamped-brass (not cast), with a "floating" two-toothed bar at its center, is an 1850s-&-later men's pantswaist tightener buckle. It is also used on the tightener-strap on the back of a man's vest. See the photos below.

In the mid-1800s these buckles were mostly made in France and Britain. Many have been dug which have a raised marking saying "Paris" or "Solide" or a mid-1800s date, such as 1859. I should mention, they are still being made and used on men's pants and vests today.
I'm going to slightly disagree, as it doesn't look stamped to me, I'm going older - late 18th C.
 
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I'm going to slightly disagree, as it doesn't look stamped to me, I'm going older - late 18th C.
I'm not sure, but buckle looks casted or hot formed of some sort to my eye. I really love this buckle cause you rarely dig them complete it seems. The green patina too is just awesome, my pics dont seem to show. It would be awesome if it was from a 1780's-1800 time period. Thanks everyone!
 
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Here's what led me to deduce KSDirtfisher's buckle is stamped-brass rather than cast. Closely examining the photo, I see what SEEMS to be brown iron-rust at the junction between each of the centerbar's components. That rust strongly indicates the brass components of the bar are hollow stamped-brass, and are mounted on an iron crosspin which bisects the buckle's rectangular frame. I'll acknowledge, the frame may be cast. But the "working parts" seem to be stamped-brass.
 
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Here's what led me to deduce KSDirtfisher's buckle is stamped-brass rather than cast. Closely examining the photo, I see what SEEMS to be brown iron-rust at the junction between each of the centerbar's components. That rust strongly indicates the brass components of the bar are hollow stamped-brass, and are mounted on an iron crosspin which bisects the buckle's rectangular frame. I'll acknowledge, the frame may be cast. But the "working parts" seem to be stamped-brass.
Yeah it does have a iron cross pin, it looks like metal pin has been possibly hammer forged on the ends. The buckle & the 2 teeth appear to be cast. The other piece, opposite of the teeth, might be stamped Im not sure. Let me try & clean it a bit by soaking it & using a tooth brush.
 
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Here's what led me to deduce KSDirtfisher's buckle is stamped-brass rather than cast. Closely examining the photo, I see what SEEMS to be brown iron-rust at the junction between each of the centerbar's components. That rust strongly indicates the brass components of the bar are hollow stamped-brass, and are mounted on an iron crosspin which bisects the buckle's rectangular frame. I'll acknowledge, the frame may be cast. But the "working parts" seem to be stamped-brass.
I've had plenty of tubular construction 18th C buckles with iron pin inserts.
 
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