🔎 UNIDENTIFIED Cannon Model

[jhamner]

I kinda know what this is, but need some help nailing down the age, use, etc, Also. it's obvious that I am missing the carriage and wheels. If anyone has pictures, drawings, sketches, etc. of what these should look like for this particular model, I would LOVE to know! Thanks, Jack.

 

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[gunsil]

Here are some of my small cannons, there are more spread around the house.

Benny, this is too small for what are referred to as signal cannons and pretty small for saluting the colors. I have been around many yacht clubs, they usually use a 10 gauge cannon that take center fire shells. They make a much larger boom than the OP cannon.

 

[gunsil]

Interesting little cannon. I have a collection of nearly fifty of them, but have not seen this exact one. This is a "shooter", it was made to be loaded with black powder and a paper wad and fired for noise. These were popular from the 1880s-1910s, some collectors call them "fourth of July" cannons since they made a noise like a loud firecracker and were often used to make noise on the fourth. Shoot at your own risk!! Do not use a ball! Most were all cast iron, I like the brass barrel on cast iron carriages like yours.

 

[jhamner]

iron carriage(?)

 

[gunsil]

ARC, don't get your knickers in a knot. It is not what you are saying, cannon has central trunions, early cannons had trunions on the lower third of the barrel. You know that. Some of the ones in my photo are made by Stevens, some by Shimer, and some by others, they are not maker marked. Only a couple of the firecracker cannons were marked with their patent dates but not manufacturers marks. Once a green patina is set nobody can tell if the object is brass or bronze by juust looking at it. You know that too.

 

[jhamner]

For ARC and others......here are a few more photos. I really appreciate everyone looking and all comments welcome...i am clueless!

 

[jhamner]

o.k. will try and get these up soon!

Hope these are what you need--if not let me know

 

[jhamner]

oops I forgot the bottoms-coming soon!

 

[pepperj]

I kinda know what this is, but need some help nailing down the age, use, etc, Also. it's obvious that I am missing the carriage and wheels. If anyone has pictures, drawings, sketches, etc. of what these should look like for this particular model, I would LOVE to know! Thanks, Jack. View attachment 2062579 View attachment 2062580 View attachment 2062581

Here are some of my small cannons, there are more spread around the house.

Benny, this is too small for what are referred to as signal cannons and pretty small for saluting the colors. I have been around many yacht clubs, they usually use a 10 gauge cannon that take center fire shells. They make a much larger boom than the OP cannon.

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Well gentlemen I am impressed by the cannon and cannons.

The old saying applies

"You tell the men from the boys by the size of their toys "😂

 

[UnderMiner]

Victorian child: "Mother may I have a miniature black powder cannon for Christmas?"

Victorian mother: "Of course son."

 

[ARC]

Now there is a little beauty... and why TN has kept me round.... its things like this that make this site.

I am / will go against the general consensus here and just tell you that what you have is a little more special than what is thought here... and its not from the 1800's... this is much older and made of gun bronze.
would there happen to be a small mark on the underside ?

More pictures would help to solidify my opinion or nullify it.
Down barrel would be good... underside... close.

 

[ARC]

Gunsil... I see you just got started collecting... :P

You would have loved mine.

 

[jhamner]

Thank you ARC! That sounds exciting, but I have looked the piece over head to toe and unfortunately cannot find a mark of any kind! I wish I could! Have to leave now but will send more photos tonight-so sorry for the delay and thanks so much for your post. I guess lack of a proof mark or other touchmark would disqualify this piece from your theory

 

[jhamner]

Photos.....

 

[jhamner]

few more

 

[ARC]

Let me just start with...

1. Of course a lathe was used... A boring lathe was used to make cannon... and just to be more precise... later years a turret lathe...And of course there is a mark from this... but its from the chaplet... for this is common on these.
Especially during this period which IMO would date to Revolutionary War Era. (1775 ish)
They were not called "lathes" but "boring" machines... and the marks you are referring to are common to all good old cannon....they are called chaplet marks.

2. As far as design... i am not sure to which "part" or "design" you are referring to?
This particular design is not a "design of any time" or "period".
There are rarely 2 of the same to even have a comp as to / in reference to "design".

I can show you examples of this design on very similar toy cannon that have been recovered from The River Thames.
So the design placing it in "time" is moot.

 

[ARC]

Hey Smith... I think this is the most i have seen from you in all my years here... and definitely more than you have ever said to me personally...
you should actually join The Random Chat Thread instead some time.
Unlike the Shipwreck forum...
it actually has some down to earth ... real... polite... people that engage with / and in people interactions.

You know... heh........ like a forum should be.

 

[Smithbrown]

To return to the original inquiry. What I see is toy cannon for shooting, the detail of which is quite simple, and rather crude. It is not a scale model, so that you cannot tie it down to a specific pattern. However the general shape most closely resembles something like your Civil War pieces. However toy cannon can often be anachronistic, copying older types of cannon rather than contemporary pieces.

 

[bartholomewroberts]

I have a few... but nothing like the collections shown here..I have one old , 16th century Chinese

cannon I picked up a few years back... and one that weighs about 30 pounds that I cast up.. The rest I spun

out on my lathe..

Micheal

 

[smokeythecat]

I agree with gunsil. Ltae 19th century noise maker. It never had wheels. Looks like it's at least nearly complete. Really nice too!