Colombia makes public the new APP for the recovery of the galleon San Jose

[Marine Archaeology Int.]

Colombia makes public the new APP (Private-Public Association) for the recovery of the galleon San Jose. The document is lengthy. Key points are: Originator to invest $68M; Term of the contract: 12 years; name of the Originator: MARITIME ARCHAEOLOGY CONSULTANTS SWITZERLAND; rate of return to the Originator 45% (of those items classified as non submerged cultural patrimony of the country).

 

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[old man]

Colombia makes public the new APP (Private-Public Association) for the recovery of the galleon San Jose. The document is lengthy. Key points are: Originator to invest $68M; Term of the contract: 12 years; name of the Originator: MARITIME ARCHAEOLOGY CONSULTANTS SWITZERLAND; rate of return to the Originator 45% (of those items classified as non submerged cultural patrimony of the country).

German, is that your company? If so, congratulations.

 

[enrada]

Key emphasis.
What is classified as NON submerged cultural patrimony of the country?
Cannons manufactured in Spain that are NOT submerged?
P of 8 with a P?
Did the San Jose anchor in Cartagena before it sank and thus load Muzo emeralds?

 

[Colombiapictures]

Contrary to rumors that have been spread, I have no connection to that Swiss company. Just because I live in the same region does not imply that I am in any way connected. I hereby categorically deny any connection.

 

[ropesfish]

First, let me applaud the Colombian government for signing this ground-breaking agreement. I hope that all parties live up to their end of the agreement for the sake of more public-private cooperative salvage operations and not just the wrecks with a billion dollar cargo.
12 years is a long time, politically, with many twists, turns and changes in leadership. Fingers crossed.
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" (of those items classified as non submerged cultural patrimony of the country)."


Part Deux - in a related issue...what IS non submerged cultural patrimony?
Those rat *******s at UNESCO have their definitions below. Does anyone have a different published definition? This one seems to go to great lengths to include EVERYTHING.
From this link: Definition of Underwater Cultural Heritage | United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization

"The 2001 Convention’s Definition of Underwater Cultural HeritageThe UNESCO 2001 Convention defines in its Article 1:For the purposes of this Convention:
1. (a) “Underwater cultural heritage” means all traces of human existence having a cultural, historical or archaeological character which have been partially or totally under water, periodically or continuously, for at least 100 years such as: (i) sites, structures, buildings, artefacts and human remains, together with their archaeological and natural context; (ii) vessels, aircraft, other vehicles or any part thereof, their cargo or other contents, together with their archaeological and natural context; and
(iii) Objects of prehistoric character. (b) Pipelines and cables placed on the seabed shall not be considered as underwater cultural heritage.
(c) Installations other than pipelines and cables, placed on the seabed and still in use, shall not be considered as underwater cultural heritage. The UNESCO 2001 Convention’s definition of cultural heritage does not contain any significance benchmark, as it can be different at the local, national or international level. Significance is also subject to change. It can be created and enhanced through research and through raising public awareness. The more a site is publicized and discussed in the media, the more significant it becomes. It also important to provide immediate protection, before requesting a significance check for a site, which for the instance, suffers from pillaging. The States that drafted the text of the UNESCO 2001 Convention and adopted it, have taken this into account in guaranteeing a blanket protection.
The 2001 Convention does not regulate ownership questions, but focuses solely on heritage values. Note on repetitive items: The definition used by the UNESCO 2001 Convention does not contain a benchmark of representativity or singularity. The fact that an item is found, while a similar has already been discovered, does not change its character as cultural heritage under the Convention (for instance in the case of coins). The reasoning behind is that also repetitiveness can be very valuable scientific information, for instance on the size of trade, vehicles, armament or the exhortations put on a population in order to obtain the artefacts in question.
Note on cargoes: The 2001 Convention cites in its Article 1 explicitly as example of underwater cultural heritage “vessels, aircraft, other vehicles or any part thereof, their cargo or other contents, together with their archaeological and natural context...”. With this the Convention stresses explicitly the heritage character of the cargoes of vessels, without making any differentiation of their value, purpose or initial destination. Any per se exclusion of 'commercial loads consisting of materials in their raw state, serial movable who have had exchange or tax value such as coins and bullion, and industrial loads' from the identification as cultural heritage is not in line with the 2001 Convention’s definition."

 

[Salvor6]

================Note on cargoes: The 2001 Convention cites in its Article 1 explicitly as example of underwater cultural heritage “vessels, aircraft, other vehicles or any part thereof, their cargo or other contents, together with their archaeological and natural context...”. With this the Convention stresses explicitly the heritage character of the cargoes of vessels, without making any differentiation of their value, purpose or initial destination. Any per se exclusion of 'commercial loads consisting of materials in their raw state, serial movable who have had exchange or tax value such as coins and bullion, and industrial loads' from the identification as cultural heritage is not in line with the 2001 Convention’s definition."
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So according to UNESCO, they want EVERYTHING!
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[ropesfish]

So according to UNESCO, they want EVERYTHING!
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BINGO!

 

[seekerGH]

MAI,

Nice! Do you have a link to the document? Would be curious to see the provisions.

thanx

 

[Marine Archaeology Int.]

Key emphasis.
What is classified as NON submerged cultural patrimony of the country?
Cannons manufactured in Spain that are NOT submerged?
P of 8 with a P?
Did the San Jose anchor in Cartagena before it sank and thus load Muzo emeralds?

According to Colombian Law 1675 (2013) coins, bars, gems in the natural state and pearls ARE NOT CONSIDERED SUBMERGED CULTURAL PATRIMONY of the country. There are some caveats to this definition though. For example, the law used the principle of "multiplicity" as a legal references. Therefore, if there is only one coin, or if you find an extremely rare one, then the general definition will not apply and the government will have the right to keep that coin.

The San Jose did not anchor in Cartagena. It sunk just before reaching the safety of Cartagena Bay, therefore the amount of emeralds will be limited.

 

[Marine Archaeology Int.]

I do. I will share via PM.

 

[seekerGH]

Thanx!

 

[Alexandre]

https://www.contratos.gov.co/consultas/detalleProceso.do?numConstancia=18-20-5038

MAI,

Nice! Do you have a link to the document? Would be curious to see the provisions.

thanx

 

[enrada]

Anybody have an English translation?

 

[Salvor6]

Here is the first page:

Process type
Private Initiative without public resources
State of the process
Publication for expressions of interest
Name of the APP
APP OF SUBMERGED CULTURAL HERITAGE SAN JOSE PROJECT
Group
[F] Services
Segment
[81] Services Based on Engineering, Research and Technology
Family
[8110] Professional engineering services
Class
[811021] Ocean engineering
Description of the project object
The present contract of concession under the scheme of private public association of private initiative without disbursement of public resources in the terms of Law 1675 of 2013 and Law 1508 of 2012 has for its object the intervention preservation and economic exploitation of the goods that are they are located in the authorized polygon in the Caribbean Sea, as well as the design, construction, operation and maintenance of the associated public infrastructure, which consists of a laboratory for the conservation of materials and a museum that allows the dissemination and appropriation of the cultural heritage of the Nation.
Project Type
Others
Estimated value of the contract
$ 197,727,182,757
Benefited population
A Colombian Population The project will allow to identify recovering and exhibiting in conditions of accessibility and with high standards of dissemination the submerged cultural heritage which will facilitate the understanding and understanding of a part of the history of our country. The museum itself will be an attractive that potentializes The Country as a tourist destination specialized in submerged archaeological heritage B Scientific and Academic Community One of the most important components of the project is the transfer of knowledge and technology in the field of underwater archeology and in intervention processes recovery conservation and dissemination of the submerged cultural heritage C Population of Cartagena de Indias DT and C The project will represent a scientific and academic cultural economic source of great value for Cartagena society generating conditions to increase the educational level Additionally, it is foreseeable that due to its historical importance in science and culture l the preservation and dissemination infrastructures attract a large number of general and specialized public D Foreign Visitors The project will benefit foreigners who visit the museum thanks to the transfer of scientific and historical knowledge and enjoyment as a cultural tourism activity​

 

[Salvor6]

This is the first additional document:

This risk is assigned to the Private taking into account that the elaboration of market studies and the decision of the investment is in charge and is entirely the responsibility of this part. The assignment is supported on the assumption of the responsibility of preparing said baseline studies of the respective decision. The budget allocated to the facilities of the Laboratory considers that a lot in a feasible location for the project in Cartagena with the characteristics required for said infrastructure, would have an average price per square meter of COP $ 615,000 and therefore, for an area of ​​5,200 m2 , an approximate cost of COP $ 3,198 million is calculated. The budget allocated to the properties of the Museum considers that a lot in a feasible location for the project in Cartagena with the characteristics required for said infrastructure, would have an average price per square meter of COP $ 150,000 and therefore, for an area of ​​20,000 m2 , an approximate cost of COP $ 3,000 million is calculated. The materialization of this risk would have a low impact, considering a volatility in the price per square meter of 10% (COP $ 319 million for the Laboratory and COP $ 300 million for the Museum), according to market information. For the assignment of a probability of low occurrence, it was considered that the prices of the real estate in Colombia have stabilized in real terms during the last years due to the impact that the lower international oil prices have had in terms of the demand for goods. non-tradable and central government financing that has led to successive tax reforms that also affect the dynamics of the sector. Additionally, the Private will be in charge of establishing a study of price variability in that particular zone in Cartagena taking into account the sector, the destination and the impact of the project both for the Mayor's Office and for the Government.​

You can translate the rest with Google Translate.

 

[seekerGH]

Quite a few documents there.

 

[ropesfish]

Anybody have an English translation?

This is what I use on documents like this. Translate is getting disturbingly effective.
https://translate.google.com/

 

[Alexandre]

In English, too...

 

[Jolly Mon]

In English, too...

Lol...The desperate tone in your diatribe is palpable.

It is also biased, self serving and full of outright lies.

But, of course, you are well aware of this.

You are just another impotent Iberian relegated to the sidelines while treasure hunters once again furnish the world with real nautical archaeologic knowledge.

Oh, and the people of Colombia get to reap the economic benefits of the recovery instead of all the treasure going to Spain as you so desperately desire.

I will only respond to one of your lies directly: only signatory countries to UNESCO will be obliged to "return" artifacts to Spain. This leaves open practically the entire actual world market for the sale of the recovered antiquities.

 

[Salvor6]

Well said Jolly Mon and welcome to the real world Alexandre. The future of marine archaeology belongs to the private sector.