DEUS I and DEUS II

[TORRERO]

I've got a lot of gold rings and I wanted to scan and list the numbers I get on the DEUS I and DEUS II comparing them and seeing where MOST gold rings, charms, earrings, chains etc come up number wise on the two machines

I have maybe 10 small gold rings and all are in the 45-50 range on the DEUS II

My goal is to take a picture of a ring, scan it with both machines and post the numbers here.. On my DEUS II Nickels come at 62 more or less... but all these small gold rings were in the 46-51 range... way lower than a Nickel... which means if I'm coin hunting I would never find those Gold rings..

 

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[Bart@Big Boys Hobbies]

I've noticed the smaller the ring it's usually lower on the VVI scale. Sometimes, even in the foil range. I have noticed on the Xp though that gold rings usually hit much more solid and harder than foil. Really hard to pass up a solid hitting foil signal. lol

 

[wprandy]

Metal Detecting NYC, did a L O N G video about "XP Deus II Target ID's" on Youtube:

 

[Bucket Lister]

I've got a lot of gold rings and I wanted to scan and list the numbers I get on the DEUS I and DEUS II comparing them and seeing where MOST gold rings, charms, earrings, chains etc come up number wise on the two machines

I have maybe 10 small gold rings and all are in the 45-50 range on the DEUS II

My goal is to take a picture of a ring, scan it with both machines and post the numbers here.. On my DEUS II Nickels come at 62 more or less... but all these small gold rings were in the 46-51 range... way lower than a Nickel... which means if I'm coin hunting I would never find those Gold rings..

I've watched a number of vids on this. My takeaway is that gold jewelry & chains can be a lot trickier to ID than a gold coin or ring. There are a lot of variables.... shape, orientation, density....

A couple of folks have already done these "bibles". Are you planning on similar, or do you have a different idea/take? 🤔

 

[TORRERO]

I've watched a number of vids on this. My takeaway is that gold jewelry & chains can be a lot trickier to ID than a gold coin or ring. There are a lot of variables.... shape, orientation, density....

A couple of folks have already done these "bibles". Are you planning on similar, or do you have a different idea/take? 🤔

I have a lot of gold rings, some chains, and misc gold stuff, I need to sell. But I was thinking of air testing all of it and posting the numbers from the DEUS I and DEUS II for comparison. I use the DEUS I with elliptical coil and 74 frequency for small gold and it works good, but the DEUS II is not as sensitive and the number system is different.
But.. I'm lazy and I have not done it yet .... 🤣

 

[Bucket Lister]

I have a lot of gold rings, some chains, and misc gold stuff, I need to sell. But I was thinking of air testing all of it and posting the numbers from the DEUS I and DEUS II for comparison. I use the DEUS I with elliptical coil and 74 frequency for small gold and it works good, but the DEUS II is not as sensitive and the number system is different.
But.. I'm lazy and I have not done it yet .... 🤣

I think that in order to be useful, any comparison needs to be apples to apples. This may be complicated by XL's use of proprietary "smart coils".

To compare Dēus I & II, both RCs should match all settings as close as possible (your 74 kHz or whatever, as long as both machines are the same), and use the identical coil. If not possible, IDK if the comparison would be valid/worthwhile. JMO.

I use the DEUS I with elliptical coil and 74 frequency for small gold and it works good, but the DEUS II is not as sensitive and the number system is different.

I'm not familiar with Dēus (I). Could you please elucidate regarding sensitivity and numbering system? THX.

 

[Gare]

WPrandy i do not care or believe anything the guy in the video does or says

I do want to welcome you to treasurenet

 

[Oldrvrrat57]

I recovered 2 gold rings this year in farm fields one was a 18k small wedding band and the other 10k 1920 class ring both of these came up on my D2 in the 70 to 72 range! I was using a program by Gary Nero, I run only a 3 tone program and they came up high tones, but then again when hunting older sites I'll dig anything above iron .

 

[TORRERO]

I think that in order to be useful, any comparison needs to be apples to apples. This may be complicated by XL's use of proprietary "smart coils".

To compare Dēus I & II, both RCs should match all settings as close as possible (your 74 kHz or whatever, as long as both machines are the same), and use the identical coil. If not possible, IDK if the comparison would be valid/worthwhile. JMO.


I'm not familiar with Dēus (I). Could you please elucidate regarding sensitivity and numbering system? THX.

Ok so what I will tell you is that I have been hunting for over 30 years, and basically ALL machines read ALL targets the same more or less, just that manufactures have designed / designated their target numbering system differently so that each machine gives a different number than other models / manufactures of detectors... like a pull-tab will read in the same Medium range as it will read in all machines, and a silver quarter will read in the High range as it does in ALL machines.
So on my DEUS I in a HIGH FREQUENCY the numbers are HIGHER than the DEUS II in LOWER FREQUENCIES If I lower the frequency in my DEUS I to 14.5 then the NUMBERS change to that similar to the DEUS II in its LOW FREQUENCY setting.
But clearly some machines will pick up gold a lot easier than other machines..
For example, have you ever wondered why you get a gold chain with a pendant on the beach but never a gold chain by itself ? because most machines won't pick them up as a solo target.. You find a lot of gold rings while detecting but you NEVER find a BROKEN gold ring because once a gold ring is opened (split the band) its almost impossible for a metal detector to detect a broken ring like that unless its just HUGE !! (get a wedding band, cut it and open it and test this)
So my goal is NOT to compare machines, but to give people an IDEA at about what and where on a scale of 1-100 does a small gold target come in at, SO many gold targets are left because they read like aluminum foil and who wants to dig 50 pieces of crap like that for a small gold charm.. ?
So I just wanted to compare the DEUS I (a machine that is hypersensitive to gold) to the DEUS II which has the sensitivity to gold like most other machines...

That was what I was thinking about...
Taking a picture of the gold item and seeing what number comes up, or even if it can detect it at all.

 

[Ism]

Ok so what I will tell you is that I have been hunting for over 30 years, and basically ALL machines read ALL targets the same more or less, just that manufactures have designed / designated their target numbering system differently so that each machine gives a different number than other models / manufactures of detectors... like a pull-tab will read in the same Medium range as it will read in all machines, and a silver quarter will read in the High range as it does in ALL machines.
So on my DEUS I in a HIGH FREQUENCY the numbers are HIGHER than the DEUS II in LOWER FREQUENCIES If I lower the frequency in my DEUS I to 14.5 then the NUMBERS change to that similar to the DEUS II in its LOW FREQUENCY setting.
But clearly some machines will pick up gold a lot easier than other machines..
For example, have you ever wondered why you get a gold chain with a pendant on the beach but never a gold chain by itself ? because most machines won't pick them up as a solo target.. You find a lot of gold rings while detecting but you NEVER find a BROKEN gold ring because once a gold ring is opened (split the band) its almost impossible for a metal detector to detect a broken ring like that unless its just HUGE !! (get a wedding band, cut it and open it and test this)
So my goal is NOT to compare machines, but to give people an IDEA at about what and where on a scale of 1-100 does a small gold target come in at, SO many gold targets are left because they read like aluminum foil and who wants to dig 50 pieces of crap like that for a small gold charm.. ?
So I just wanted to compare the DEUS I (a machine that is hypersensitive to gold) to the DEUS II which has the sensitivity to gold like most other machines...

That was what I was thinking about...
Taking a picture of the gold item and seeing what number comes up, or even if it can detect it at all.

You don't have to cut a wedding band to test the phenomena. Just take a 2-3 inch length of bare copper wire, make a loop that has a gap between the ends and test it. Then twist the ends together and test it. For something less conductive, a twist tie bared at each end will also work.

 

[TORRERO]

You don't have to cut a wedding band to test the phenomena. Just take a 2-3 inch length of bare copper wire, make a loop that has a gap between the ends and test it. Then twist the ends together and test it. For something less conductive, a twist tie bared at each end will also work.

The reason I said a gold ring is because I have had this happen to me twice in my hunting years, where I had a good signal and as I was digging it, it just vanished... But knowing that I had a good target I began to look around for it.
First time was on the beach in Spain, and I use a shovel on the beach and I had cut the band open when I dug for it.
Suddenly there was no signal at all ..... not a peep.. but knowing I had a good target I started moving the sand around and that's when I spotted the gold ring in the sand... still couldn't pick it up. I was using a Whites DFX or something....
wedding band, the other time something similar, I was in a ballfield on my hands and knees looking for a low target
and same thing.... it was there and then it was not... looking around in the dirt I found a small 14K girls ring that I had cut the band with my digger... DEUS I with elliptical would pick them up, as would Gold prospecting machines, but they are generally worthless on salt water beaches..

 

[detectorcowboy]

I've got a lot of gold rings and I wanted to scan and list the numbers I get on the DEUS I and DEUS II comparing them and seeing where MOST gold rings, charms, earrings, chains etc come up number wise on the two machines

I have maybe 10 small gold rings and all are in the 45-50 range on the DEUS II

My goal is to take a picture of a ring, scan it with both machines and post the numbers here.. On my DEUS II Nickels come at 62 more or less... but all these small gold rings were in the 46-51 range... way lower than a Nickel... which means if I'm coin hunting I would never find those Gold rings..

One's dual frequency Deus 2 the other is not Deus 1, so there's that.

 

[TORRERO]

One's dual frequency Deus 2 the other is not Deus 1, so there's that.

And the DEUS II goes deeper than the DEUS I, (proven by comparing signals with the Minelab 800 and both DEUSes) I was using both around an old house site and noticed that the were a lot of false signals (some seemed to be electronic interference, a lot was junky targets in the ground) and the DEUS II seemed to be a bit more stable, That's the machine I got the class ring with and Mercury dime. but I got more pocket change with the DEUS I.

 

[detectorcowboy]

And the DEUS II goes deeper than the DEUS I, (proven by comparing signals with the Minelab 800 and both DEUSes) I was using both around an old house site and noticed that the were a lot of false signals (some seemed to be electronic interference, a lot was junky targets in the ground) and the DEUS II seemed to be a bit more stable, That's the machine I got the class ring with and Mercury dime. but I got more pocket change with the DEUS I.

The Deus2 is without a doubt more stable.

 

[Bucket Lister]

.... I was using both around an old house site and noticed that the were a lot of false signals (some seemed to be electronic interference, a lot was junky targets in the ground) and the DEUS II seemed to be a bit more stable, ....

The Deus2 is without a doubt more stable.

Would someone please explain what you mean by "stable"?

Thanks 🙂

 

[TORRERO]

Would someone please explain what you mean by "stable"?

Thanks 🙂

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[TORRERO]

Would someone please explain what you mean by "stable"?

Thanks 🙂

Actually, if a machine makes a lot of unwanted noise, beeping and erratic we say its unstable, Stable would be the opposite.. where you might walk several feet without hearing anything then suddenly you get a clear tone indicating something or target is there..

 

[Bucket Lister]

Actually, if a machine makes a lot of unwanted noise, beeping and erratic we say its unstable, Stable would be the opposite.. where you might walk several feet without hearing anything then suddenly you get a clear tone indicating something or target is there..

By that definition, mineralized soil, rusty nails, and EMI make the machine unstable.

I think I'm getting what you're trying to say, but I'm confused about unstable machine vs. unstable environment.

Where I hunt, I have to look for the clear tones between all the other 💩.

 

[pepperj]

By that definition, mineralized soil, rusty nails, and EMI make the machine unstable.

I think I'm getting what you're trying to say, but I'm confused about unstable machine vs. unstable environment.

Where I hunt, I have to look for the clear tones between all the other 💩.

Having the sensitivity too high on a machine will make it unstable.

Older machines even a decade old were more susceptible to be unstable.

So your examples.

"By that definition, mineralized soil, rusty nails, and EMI make the machine unstable"
Is just part of it actually.
Coil shock, wet grass, can add to the falsing in the machine.
With the sensitivity set high a pile of cow dung will give a high tone on the Deus l and even on the Deus ll.
(I was fooled a few times flipping floppers and the signal disappeared)

So now add all the factors iron laden site, mineralized soil, coke, EMI, rough terrain, wet grass, stubble.

The machine starts producing copious amounts of noise that makes it hard to hear the actual defined targets.

By lowering the sensitivity it cleans up what your hearing.

And this explanation is probably not well defined either.

 

[TORRERO]

By that definition, mineralized soil, rusty nails, and EMI make the machine unstable.

Yes it can exactly... but also electromagnetic energy..