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SteveDodds said:thats funny.
teddy said:I'd like to see a movie made where the founding fathers come back from the grave and wipe out what government has become over the decades.
mcgearhead said:This didn't happen because of Obama. I wished it did, ya'll know how I feel about the guy !!!
No, this has been coming for some time. You can't play with make believe money forever.
DigginThePast said:prospector40 - I hear ya.
I for one would like to see an end to it. I'd like to see a legitimate third option, a third option that believes in the Constitution, would actually listen to the people and would be held accountable.
Anything can be fixed. The problem is, at what price? Have we gone too far to fix the problems the easier way?
GoodyGuy said:We are in this mess because of greed, pure and simple.
Greedy big business and greedy politicians who took the graft from them.
That is what got us in this mess but it sure as heck wont get us out of it.
Term limits would help solve the problem but the foxes guarding that chicken house wont have any of that.
Yep we are screwed.
GG~
Here's the real question, however. Would we be experiencing different results now if someone other than Obama had been elected? I personally believe the current situation would be near or exactly the same to what we're seeing now, no matter who took the wheel.teddy said:GoodyGuy said:We are in this mess because of greed, pure and simple.
Greedy big business and greedy politicians who took the graft from them.
That is what got us in this mess but it sure as heck wont get us out of it.
Term limits would help solve the problem but the foxes guarding that chicken house wont have any of that.
Yep we are screwed.
GG~
Yes I agree to a point. But the problem is really much deeper. Too many Americans today lack what others decades ago had. That is, a basic sense of what's right and wrong and the internal ability to maintain that sense.
Years ago this was known as "horse sense" or just plain "common sense." From the ability to establish a "common sense" philosophy of life came the ability to develop and hold to convictions.
Today people in general are confused and so wishy-washy they really aren't capable of developing convictions about anything. They're mostly sheep looking for the best charismatic shepherd who can make them feel secure when in the real world everything is falling apart.
The root cause of our mess today isn't corrupt politicians or business persons. The ROOT problem is we have too many voting age people today who aren't really capable of cultivating and maintaining a thought. In other words, they can't think. Therefore they must be led as sheep unto the slaughter.
They're ever learning but never able to come unto the truth.
teddy
teddy said:Yes I agree to a point. But the problem is really much deeper. Too many Americans today lack what others decades ago had. That is, a basic sense of what's right and wrong and the internal ability to maintain that sense.
Years ago this was known as "horse sense" or just plain "common sense." From the ability to establish a "common sense" philosophy of life came the ability to develop and hold to convictions.
Today people in general are confused and so wishy-washy they really aren't capable of developing convictions about anything. They're mostly sheep looking for the best charismatic shepherd who can make them feel secure when in the real world everything is falling apart.
The root cause of our mess today isn't corrupt politicians or business persons. The ROOT problem is we have too many voting age people today who aren't really capable of cultivating and maintaining a thought. In other words, they can't think. Therefore they must be led as sheep unto the slaughter.
They're ever learning but never able to come unto the truth.
teddy
af1733 said:I believe that if by some chance the economy does turn around, unemployment drops to zero, and there's a huge drop in the national deficit by the end of his term, no one would credit Obama for any of it.
I'm sorry, I thought I had been more specific with that statement. What I meant to say was that "no one here" would give Obama credit for this kind of turnaround. There's very obvious anti-Obama sentiment running rampant through Treasurenet, and I meant to say that nobody's opinion here would change about him if he did pull off what I mentioned above.SteveDodds said:af1733 said:I believe that if by some chance the economy does turn around, unemployment drops to zero, and there's a huge drop in the national deficit by the end of his term, no one would credit Obama for any of it.
I don't believe that for a second. All of the liberal news media and all of liberal America would say and think that it was all because of Obama. That kind of thing happens now. Of course what ever the news media says the sheeple of America follow it. To me it is pretty obvious that the media has a bizarre fascination with Obama. If all of that stuff happened the dems and libs would be jumping up and down chanting OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!