✅ SOLVED Family pocket watch

JVA5th

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Nice watch. It’s the Illinois Watch Company’s ‘Bunn Special’ Model 9, made around 1925 in a run of 1,000 watches from a total of 169,440 produced. Railroad grade.
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Nice watch. It’s the Illinois Watch Company’s ‘Bunn Special’ Model 9, made around 1925 in a run of 1,000 watches from a total of 169,440 produced. Railroad grade.
As always Red-Coat thank you. What does railroad grade mean?
 

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Nice heirloom! There looks to be a lot of engraving below and beside 7777802 on the back. Hard to read. Nice ID by Red-Coat.
It does have a lot of engravings on the inside I'll try to get some pictures for you guys
 

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Wasn't a fun process but did the best I could do with the engravings in regards to getting pictures.
 

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You're most welcome. 'Railroad Grade' is a superior quality of movement designed to keep more accurate time in the presence of magnetic fields and generally having temperature compensation too.
Thank you, that's nice to know
 

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I was curious about this pocket watch, it was passed through the family to my father. Looks to have been a fairly nice one. If anyone knows a little about it I'd appreciate the information.
That is a very collectable piece! Red Coat is right on but a RR movement also had to be accurate in 5 or 6 positions (maybe marked 5p or 6p on the movement). The small etchings in the back case are from the times it was cleaned or repaired. The company was sold to Hamilton in the late 20's and finally ended up in Russia.
 

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That is a very collectable piece! Red Coat is right on but a RR movement also had to be accurate in 5 or 6 positions (maybe marked 5p or 6p on the movement). The small etchings in the back case are from the times it was cleaned or repaired. The company was sold to Hamilton in the late 20's and finally ended up in Russia.
Thank you for the information I greatly appreciate it
 

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I'm a little late to the party John-internet issues/time.
Though the question was answered by Red Coat of what is a Railway Grade Watch
Here is your beautiful Grandfather's Watch model explained in detail.
What a keeper :headbang:


Mechanically speaking, almost all 1900’s railroad watches shared a number of performance and reliability enhancing features. Most had a fixed regulator to avoid timekeeping variation from impact (A), a double roller balance wheel to avoid going out of action (often called overbanking) (B), 19 or more jewels to reduce friction and increase consistency of the gear train (C), timekeeping adjustment in 5 or more positions to make sure the watch kept accurate time regardless of orientation (D), and adjustment for temperature to ensure accuracy in a variety of climates (E). Many railroad watches had solid gold or gold plated gear trains (F) and jewel settings (G) to reduce the effects of magnetism as well as reduce tarnishing, and later watches had features such as magnetically resistant balance wheels, Elinvar hairsprings, adjustments for isochronism, and advanced cap jewel covers (H).

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I'm a little late to the party John-internet issues/time.
Though the question was answered by Red Coat of what is a Railway Grade Watch
Here is your beautiful Grandfather's Watch model explained in detail.
What a keeper :headbang:


Mechanically speaking, almost all 1900’s railroad watches shared a number of performance and reliability enhancing features. Most had a fixed regulator to avoid timekeeping variation from impact (A), a double roller balance wheel to avoid going out of action (often called overbanking) (B), 19 or more jewels to reduce friction and increase consistency of the gear train (C), timekeeping adjustment in 5 or more positions to make sure the watch kept accurate time regardless of orientation (D), and adjustment for temperature to ensure accuracy in a variety of climates (E). Many railroad watches had solid gold or gold plated gear trains (F) and jewel settings (G) to reduce the effects of magnetism as well as reduce tarnishing, and later watches had features such as magnetically resistant balance wheels, Elinvar hairsprings, adjustments for isochronism, and advanced cap jewel covers (H).

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Thank you for the information, all good stuff to know. I enjoy the intricacy of these old pocket watches and learning more about them is always awesome to me.
 

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Thank you for the information, all good stuff to know. I enjoy the intricacy of these old pocket watches and learning more about them is always awesome to me.
My inlaw had the amazing ability of being able to completely take one apart, repair/clean reassemble and it work be like new.
Watched him for hrs at his bench, and going to the pocket watch club meetings.
 

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My inlaw had the amazing ability of being able to completely take one apart, repair/clean reassemble and it work be like new.
Watched him for hrs at his bench, and going to the pocket watch club meetings.
I can't even comprehend how people can do that. I'd never be able to remember all the things you need to know to do that. I'm going to take this one into my local jeweler and get it running. It appears to be a piece worth getting it done.
 

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I can't even comprehend how people can do that. I'd never be able to remember all the things you need to know to do that. I'm going to take this one into my local jeweler and get it running. It appears to be a piece worth getting it done.
While I completely support getting it fixed, do know that in most cases with pocket watches it will usually cost more to fix than it will be worth. This shouldn't matter as it is from family. Also added bonus for being a railroad grade, which sometimes beat out that cost to fix vrs value problem. That being said I have spent a few thousand dollars getting as many of my collection fixed and into good running watches as I can....with only one being worth more than I paid to have it repaired...and many of my running watches cost just as much to just clean and service as they are worth let alone if they needed any serious repair. Still I just can't let em get junked by someone....I feel compelled to save them. Have been considering learning the art so I can save some cash....but once you move beyond cleaning, the amount of hard to find specialty tools needed for such a small item is actually mind boggling.
 

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While I completely support getting it fixed, do know that in most cases with pocket watches it will usually cost more to fix than it will be worth. This shouldn't matter as it is from family. Also added bonus for being a railroad grade, which sometimes beat out that cost to fix vrs value problem. That being said I have spent a few thousand dollars getting as many of my collection fixed and into good running watches as I can....with only one being worth more than I paid to have it repaired...and many of my running watches cost just as much to just clean and service as they are worth let alone if they needed any serious repair. Still I just can't let em get junked by someone....I feel compelled to save them. Have been considering learning the art so I can save some cash....but once you move beyond cleaning, the amount of hard to find specialty tools needed for such a small item is actually mind boggling.
I lack the brain power for that. I'd never be able to remember all that. Just don't have a brain good at the mechanical type of things.
 

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