Has some of Atahualpa's Ransom been Found.

[KANACKI]

Hello All

Inca treasure is still being found on occasion.

The following was recovered from locals in Peru near Cajamarca

Was it part of Atahualpa Ransom?

The hoard was found on a hill side by villagers who tried to sell this piece below for 30 thousand USD .



Other pieces of gold below.



And silver



The Peruvian antiquities confiscated off the villagers once they heard that artifacts was for sale. The site of the alleged discovery is now being investigated by police and archaeologists.

Kanacki

 

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[KANACKI]

Here is more pictures of the artifacts.







The treasure trove consisted of gold silver copper and bronze artifacts. Was it take from a grave site or just hidden cache?

Sadly main stream English speaking media has shown no interest in this discovery.

Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

One thing It seems that the artifact below is not technically Inca although it could of been taken by the Incas. Its style is reminiscent of Huaca Rajada archaeological site, near Sipán on the North coast of Peru. The most famous of the tombs belonged to El Señor de Sipán (The Lord of Sipán), a Mochican warrior priest who was buried among dazzling treasures, unlike any seen before in the region.



Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

Was it possibly looted from tombs such as these below?





Or looted from grave sites in northern provinces of Peru on the coast?

Kanacki

 

[Simon1]

Truly magnificent pieces Kanacki.
This is another one that I had not heard about.
I love history and it appears that the " main stream English speaking media " has a different interpretation of history.

 

[Simon1]

 

[Simon1]

Alleged ransom room for Atahualpa

 

[KANACKI]

Alleged ransom room for Atahualpa

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Yes it was the original location. It had multiple uses over the years. Now the site in tourist attraction.



Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

Actually the building in the last post. When I saw it in 1998 it had an adobe roof. Its was used at one time as house, a pig sty and temple and place of astounding amount of ransom gold. I cannot imagine what it would of felt like sleeping there when it was used as a humble house in the 19th century.

Kanacki

 

[gollum]

Just waiting for the REAL Inca Treasure to be found! The 800 foot long gold chain that belonged to Atahualpa's Father. So heavy that it took 200 men to lift it. THAT is what I want to see!

Mike

 

[Crow]

Gidday Gollum

The earliest account of that story is from 1609 by Garcilaso de la Vega called Historia general del Peru: tradta el descrubrimiento del, y como lo gananaron




But I suspect there must be even a earlier version out there?

Crow
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[Crow]

Garcilaso recounts several stories about Spanish efforts to recover the hidden treasures of the Incas. Early in The Royal Commentaries, he recalls a tale involving a small lake – believed by many Peruvians today to be Lake Urcos, near Cuzco.

The unnamed lake cited by the chronicler was about half a legua (or Spanish league) – 1.3 modern miles – in circumference. It was very deep, surrounded by high mountains, and located some six leagues (15.6 miles) south of the Inca capital. Lake Urcos is actually about 29 miles south of Cuzco – suggesting that Garcilaso either got his measurements wrong or was referring to another, closer lake. Modern geological survey maps reveal at least one small, unnamed lake or lagoon – a cocha, in the Incas’ Quechua tongue – at about the right distance from Cuzco. But this lagoon has apparently not attracted the attention of modern treasure hunters. Could it be the one Garcilaso describes?


“It is well known that, on the arrival of the Spaniards, the Indians threw a great part of the treasures from the Cuzco temple into this lake, among other things, the famous gold chain that Huaina Capac had had made,” the chronicler relates. “Some twelve or thirteen Spanish inhabitants of Cuzco having learned this fact, formed a company among themselves to dry up this lake, and thus retrieve these treasures.”
After conducting soundings, probably with a weighted rope lowered from a raft or boat, the Spaniards found that the lake was up to 24 fathoms (144 feet) deep – not counting the thick, silty ooze that presumably covered the treasure.


“That seemed a great deal,” Garcilaso writes, “so they decided to dig a tunnel east of it through which the water could find outlet. They started working in 1557 and, after having dug a gallery more than fifty steps long, encountered rock as hard as silex, from which they got discouraged and abandoned their project.” End of story.

Garcilaso claims he personally saw the tunnel, and had even entered it several times. “There are numerous other places, “ he adds, “in the mountains, the lakes and the caves, where the Indians are supposed to have hidden treasures that can never be recovered.”

Today Lake Urcos near the town of Urcos has become some thing of a tourist attraction with statute of Indians throwing the gold chain in the lake.



So for the locals the story of golden chain, it the story for them is "treasure" As said earlier nothing is certain there is other lakes that could well indeed be the resting place for this golden chain?

Crow

 

[Crow]

Berkeley professor emeritus John Howland Rowe – a leading expert in Peruvian archaeology and an admirer of Cobo – is skeptical about the existence of the Golden Chain. He told this writer that if such a ritual artifact actually existed, it was probably not a chain but rather a rope. The Incas had no experience with link chains prior to the Spanish conquest, he says. It could have been a fiber rope, adorned with gold plaques or other decoration, Rowe concedes. This is consistent with the Huascar story: His name means “rope.” Garcilaso says this word was used because the Inca language lacked a more exact term for “chain.”


Though no pre-conquest chains have ever been found, the concept of metal links was not unknown in the Inca realm. One of the peoples the Incas had conquered, the Chimú of northern Peru, used gold links in many of their artifacts, and even crafted shirts of tiny gold plates held together by links – a kind of decorative “chain mail” for the aristocracy. Examples of these shirts and other artifacts with golden links survive in museums to this day.

For me with historic references I am prepared to keep an open mind. But I suspect the chain as seen in western perspective is not what the golden chain was most likely a rope with small thin light golden tassels on it. Able for Inca men although strong are in small stature. Was able to carry it.

Crow

 

[A2coins]

Great post and read some amazing artifacts and great info.

 

[Crow]

Gidday A2coins

My pleasure. If you ever get done that way these places are amazing places to visit. You feel like your walking in footsteps of conquistadors. There are treasure legends every where. Many are just legends?? But others ya just do not know for sure.

The legends of the conquest speak of a number of priceless treasures, mostly of gold, that were hidden by the Incas to protect them from the treasure-hungry conquistadors. The golden objects that were sent to ransom the ruler Atahualpa were only a small fraction of the treasures held by the Inca state. One of the most famous of the missing artifacts was a huge golden image of the rayed sun – perhaps with a human face – that occupied a central place of honor in the Coricancha, the great Temple of the Sun in Cuzco, the Inca capital.


Also missing was the famed “Garden of the Sun,” a life-sized facsimile of a country garden, complete with rows of corn, sheep and shepherds – all fashioned of pure gold. The chronicler Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa (1532-1589) placed this garden near the Temple of the Sun: “They had a garden in which the lumps of earth were pieces of fine gold. These were cleverly sown with maize - the stalks, leaves and ears of which were all pure gold. They were so well planted that nothing would disturb them. Besides all this, they had more than twenty sheep with their young. The shepherds who guarded the sheep were armed with slings and staves made of gold and silver. Pots, vases and every kind of vessel were cast from fine gold.”

These stories bedazzles us of fortune and glory so much some times it distracts us from the real story.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Could the following testimony be linked to the missing golden chain?

In 1620, almost 90 years after the conquest of the empire, the big treasure of the Inca kings was still looked for.
Brother Antonio Martínez, wrote in a letter of the April, 25, 1620 that:
.... some old Indians have told me of the big treasure of the Inca kings and the hope that it is near Cuzco......
General Arcivhe of Indies, Section Lima, bundle #327



Crow

 

[EKG]

There was some evidence that parts of the treasure and the chain is buried in a deeper gorge close to the top from the Vulcan Sangay in Ecuador

 

[Crow]

There was some evidence that parts of the treasure and the chain is buried in a deeper gorge close to the top from the Vulcan Sangay in Ecuador

Gidday Amigo

If that was the case amigo with the volcanic eruptions "Pachamama' has reclaimed her golden bounty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9nSCr0Luqw


Crow