Help with this coin

jws845

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Hello,
Found this coin while working a permission that dates back to late 18 early 1900's. I've used a toothpick on it, but I've gone as far as I think I can safely go without doing any more damage to this coin. It rang up 30-31 on my nox which is a bit higher than other large cents that I've found. The coin on the right is for size comparison. In the right light I think there is a left facing bust, but after staring at it for a few hours it could just be my imagination.
Thanks for any help in identifying this coin and providing a date range.
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There is so little on that coin to go on. In the photo the lighting does not provide any contrast to help us see what you see, when looking at the area you believe to be a face outline. Nice high quality photos though. If you are still in Delaware, try heading down to the Discover Sea Museum on Fenwick Island, just before you hit MD. Dale Clifton is a diver that has recovered stuff from all over the place. Very knowledgeable guy and maybe he can help you out.
 
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jws, I'm not seeing much of anything in your coin's images, unfortunately. It looks like it's 28mm in diameter (same as your Coronet Head Large Cent), but is your mystery exactly the same diameter? I ask because I have Large Cents that are 28mm and King Georges that are about 27.3mm...very similar but not exactly the same.
I also found a toasted copper coin recently, and there's a whole thread on people's suggestions on how to clean it along with the steps I took. You may benefit from the thread and the discussions: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/650751-large-copper-how-clean-properly.html

As for Delt's suggestion I completely agree that visiting Dale and his shop may help you - and it's just an awesome museum/shop.
Side story: about 5 years ago my son and I found a concretion up on Coin Beach, so I took it to Dale and he helped me break it open to reveal that it was a spike from the Faithful Steward. And he did it for free, just 'cause he's a good guy.
Not much left of the spike itself, but the concretion shows the impression of the mushroom head, which is cool:
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Thanks for the info and taking the time to comment, greatly appreciated. I'll take the coin with me the next time I head down to the beaches.
 
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There is so little on that coin to go on. In the photo the lighting does not provide any contrast to help us see what you see, when looking at the area you believe to be a face outline. Nice high quality photos though. If you are still in Delaware, try heading down to the Discover Sea Museum on Fenwick Island, just before you hit MD. Dale Clifton is a diver that has recovered stuff from all over the place. Very knowledgeable guy and maybe he can help you out.

Thanks for the info and taking the time to comment, greatly appreciated. I'll take the coin with me the next time I head down to the beaches.
 
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jws, I'm not seeing much of anything in your coin's images, unfortunately. It looks like it's 28mm in diameter (same as your Coronet Head Large Cent), but is your mystery exactly the same diameter? I ask because I have Large Cents that are 28mm and King Georges that are about 27.3mm...very similar but not exactly the same.
I also found a toasted copper coin recently, and there's a whole thread on people's suggestions on how to clean it along with the steps I took. You may benefit from the thread and the discussions: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/650751-large-copper-how-clean-properly.html

As for Delt's suggestion I completely agree that visiting Dale and his shop may help you - and it's just an awesome museum/shop.
Side story: about 5 years ago my son and I found a concretion up on Coin Beach, so I took it to Dale and he helped me break it open to reveal that it was a spike from the Faithful Steward. And he did it for free, just 'cause he's a good guy.
Not much left of the spike itself, but the concretion shows the impression of the mushroom head, which is cool:
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Thanks for the info and I'll ck out that thread.
 
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based on the rough size beside a large and your bottom pic shows the outline of what I feel is a shield shape..and where you are I think you might have New Jersey copper...

there are some British conder tokens from the late 1700s that could be your coin but better chances its early American
 

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Not sure if this is helpful but I have found that if you put a very light coat of 3in1 oil on a very worn coin and turn it at the right angle sometime you can see features that you wont see looking at it straight on.
 
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based on the rough size beside a large and your bottom pic shows the outline of what I feel is a shield shape..and where you are I think you might have New Jersey copper...

there are some British conder tokens from the late 1700s that could be your coin but better chances its early American

Thanks for your insight, I just wish there was one aspect of this coin I could see clearly to get an id. If it is a NJ copper it would be my first.
 
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Not sure if this is helpful but I have found that if you put a very light coat of 3in1 oil on a very worn coin and turn it at the right angle sometime you can see features that you wont see looking at it straight on.

Thanks for the suggestion. I might very well give that a try, not much to lose at this point.
 
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Early Canadian one cent.
 

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It is not a New Jersey copper. This coin has a heavy raised rim on both sides, New Jersey coppers have a denticled rim.
 
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