Is this fake or genuine?

Renerio Cenabre

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One of my known TH Friend recently told me that they have found 120+ gold bars in 40 feet deep and asked if I know some gold buyers. I asked him photos of the item and he sent me this picture... Could this be real or fake? Because I didn't really saw an actual gold bars. If anyone familiar with gold bars please help me identify this.
 

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One of my known TH Friend recently told me that they have found 120+ gold bars in 40 feet deep and asked if I know some gold buyers. I asked him photos of the item and he sent me this picture... Could this be real or fake? Because I didn't really saw an actual gold bars. If anyone familiar with gold bars please help me identify this.
Get a beaker that has mili-liter marking on it. Fill to a know level. Then place bar into it. Can you the amount of water it displaces as a exact volume. Volume and the density of gold should be able to calculate to weight base on Volume and density of gold. Then actually weight the gold and see if they match. Thing is to find a tall breaker glass cylinder with accurate marking on it that that bar will fit in to. Will tell you if it has other metal in the middle or something off. https://www.xetra-gold.com/en/gold-news/twelve-ways-to-check-the-authenticity-of-gold/
https://bullionexchanges.com/learn/test-gold-real, Each one would have to be verified.
 
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If you Google "Fake Sumatra Gold Bar" you'll see a veritable labyrinth of scams being run. Just one example with the same markings as yours, but rather better cast:

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Who knows whether any of the stuff being sold is actually genuinely gold, but it seems that in every case where a sale actually went through (probably illegally so, had the gold been genuine) and the buyer subsequently had the item properly checked.... guess what?
 
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Yes it can be drilled to know if it's solid gold in it's core, if you look at the photo of the fake bar that was posted by Red-Coat you can see 2 holes drilled into it, drilling is the most common way to determine if a gold bar is real or fake.
Thank you Au Seeker
 
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You can SEND one to me for my EXAMINATION of it. I will let you know :) NO RETURN ADDRESS NEEDED :)P LOL
 
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Online, or in person?
There is a difference in my books.
The online folks are just that online.
99.5% I will probably never meet, or know anymore than what is written by them.
Gee I have known some folks for 15-20yrs and I have no idea who they are actually.
Now a real life friend of that time I can say we've shared a many good facts, and we know a whole lot about each other.
Good point, Pepper. I have known you through this site on internet for a few months now, but until recently I thought you were just a very articulate cat.
 
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Hello, I see you are from the Philippines. Please take the advice of a "foreigner" who did some "treasure hunting" in your Country. There are so many scams and schemes involving Gold that you need to be suspect of everything. It is impossible to tell from a picture if it is real gold as you would have to examine it closely. The infamous "Mindanao Lead sandwich" ...lead covered with a thin layer of gold and Marked "SUMATRA" comes to mind. So scraping a sample that tested positive would not even be proof. You would have to xray the bars or saw them in half. Good luck ad be careful.
First thing that camr
How much do they weigh and how much does he want for them, Renerio?? I may know someone interested.
I wonder what the going rate per pound of lead is nowadays?
 
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Get a beaker that has mili-liter marking on it. Fill to a know level. Then place bar into it. Can you the amount of water it displaces as a exact volume. Volume and the density of gold should be able to calculate to weight base on Volume and density of gold. Then actually weight the gold and see if they match. Thing is to find a tall breaker glass cylinder with accurate marking on it that that bar will fit in to. Will tell you if it has other metal in the middle or something off. https://www.xetra-gold.com/en/gold-news/twelve-ways-to-check-the-authenticity-of-gold/
https://bullionexchanges.com/learn/test-gold-real, Each one would have to be verified.

Unfortunately, the test you're suggesting is not going to be good enough for many of the fake bars being produced these days. They usually have a tungsten core and a gold veneer.

Gold has a density of 19.3g/cc, compared to tungsten at 19.25 so, given that at least some of the fake bar will usually actually be true gold, density comparison is a close-run thing. The test will of course pick up crude unsophisticated fakes, but it's not a wholly reliable discriminator.

An expert laboratory with more sophisticated equipment than you could readily obtain for home use might (but only might) be able to determine a fake from a density check alone. For that reason, it's not the only test used to determine authenticity.

Although the ultimate test is to drill into it, it's not necessary to use destructive testing of that kind if you have the right equipment and know how to use it. There are several expert tests which can be used for smaller gold ingots (up to about 500g) but, beyond that weight, ultrasound is generally the preferred reliable non-destructive testing method.
 
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Don't they also drill a small hole in the bars and test the drillings ?
Yes it can be drilled to know if it's solid gold in it's core, if you look at the photo of the fake bar that was posted by Red-Coat you can see 2 holes drilled into it, drilling is the most common way to determine if a gold bar is real or fake.
 
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Good day,

One of my known TH Friend recently told me that they have found 120+ gold bars in 40 feet deep and asked if I know some gold buyers. I asked him photos of the item and he sent me this picture... Could this be real or fake? Because I didn't really saw an actual gold bars. If anyone familiar with gold bars please help me identify this.
Those gold bars are clearly marked Sumatra, which I believe is a part of Indonesia. Do they have right to put a claim on these?
 
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