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[Digger RJ]

Found this token and have no clue what it says, or what it is. I’d love to hear any ID or language decipher as to what it says. Thank You in advance!!! Happy Hunting!!!

 

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[Nathan W]

Don’t know but it’s a cool coin

 

[Back-of-the-boat]

I think it is a Russian 2 kopek depicting St. George the victorious. Not sure though.

 

[Red-Coat]

Interesting. Never seen one of those before. The imagery is loosely borrowed from the English Tudor ‘George’ noble gold coin. This one is Henry VIII (1526-1529):



I can’t read it all and, in some cases the letters are abbreviated Latin words which might be hard to interpret, but the reverse (with St George slaying the dragon) has a variation on the original legend for Henry’s coin. The letter that looks like a Greek ‘pi’ symbol is a mediaeval ‘A’ and the character that looks like a lower case ‘a’ is a mediaeval ‘C’.

So the reverse of Henry’s coin reads (in Latin): TALI : DICA : SIGnO : MES 'x FLVCTVARI : nEQVIT (Consecrated by such a sign the mind cannot waver). On yours there is at least the beginning of that as: TALI*DICA[TT] but it then goes off-piste with something like: SIS MES PLVCAT v ARI nE?T. Stumped on that.

The obverse for Henry’s coin (with ship, cross and Tudor rose) reads: hENRIC8 DI'x G'x R'+ AGL'+ Z + FRAnC'x DnS '+ hIBERnI (Henry the Eighth by the Grace of God King of England and France Lord of Ireland) but yours has been replaced by something entirely different that I can’t decipher.

It was common for prestigious English gold coins to inspire imitations in Europe with suitable adaptations… both for regular coinage and for jetons/tokens, and for centuries after the English originals were no longer in circulation. My feeling is that this a late 19th or early 20th Century brass continental token for use in card games and such rather than an earlier jeton in the sense of being used for accounting purposes.

 

[Mackaydon]

Appears to be a token; perhaps like one used during reenactment presentations.
Don........

 

[Back-of-the-boat]

Red-coats coin is a lot better example than the Russian coins I found. Mine had the front but not the obverse matching yours. Interested to see the final outcome (I.D.)

 

[ARC]

Interesting odd ball token.
Definitely St George slaying dragon.

 

[Red-Coat]

One other thing to note is that the 'inspired by' copying of English gold coin designs onto continental European coinage often resulted in the legends being 'blundered'. That is, the words may have no real meaning because letters were copied by engravers who had no understanding of what they were, or that they could be Latin abbreviations.

If this token was copied from or inspired by a continental coin that had itself been copied from or inspired by an English gold coin, there is further scope for nonsense legends.

The word on the obverse (the ship side) beginning with 'AA' may be a case in point. It's unlikely as a word or an abbreviated word:

Or, as Don says, it could just be a fantasy item with borrowed imagery.

 

[Digger RJ]

Interesting. Never seen one of those before. The imagery is loosely borrowed from the English Tudor ‘George’ noble gold coin. This one is Henry VIII (1526-1529):

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I can’t read it all and, in some cases the letters are abbreviated Latin words which might be hard to interpret, but the reverse (with St George slaying the dragon) has a variation on the original legend for Henry’s coin. The letter that looks like a Greek ‘pi’ symbol is a mediaeval ‘A’ and the character that looks like a lower case ‘a’ is a mediaeval ‘C’.

So the reverse of Henry’s coin reads (in Latin): TALI : DICA : SIGnO : MES 'x FLVCTVARI : nEQVIT (Consecrated by such a sign the mind cannot waver). On yours there is at least the beginning of that as: TALI*DICA[TT] but it then goes off-piste with something like: SIS MES PLVCAT v ARI nE?T. Stumped on that.

The obverse for Henry’s coin (with ship, cross and Tudor rose) reads: hENRIC8 DI'x G'x R'+ AGL'+ Z + FRAnC'x DnS '+ hIBERnI (Henry the Eighth by the Grace of God King of England and France Lord of Ireland) but yours has been replaced by something entirely different that I can’t decipher.

It was common for prestigious English gold coins to inspire imitations in Europe with suitable adaptations… both for regular coinage and for jetons/tokens, and for centuries after the English originals were no longer in circulation. My feeling is that this a late 19th or early 20th Century brass continental token for use in card games and such rather than an earlier jeton in the sense of being used for accounting purposes.

Thanks Red-Coat!! Think You nailed it

 

[Digger RJ]

Found this token and have no clue what it says, or what it is. I’d love to hear any ID or language decipher as to what it says. Thank You in advance!!! Happy Hunting!!!

Thanks for All the help!!! You All are Awesome!!!

 

[unclemac]

kind of looks like Armenian to me.

 

[Red-Coat]

I don't think we have a solution here, in the sense that we don't know where it came from, who produced it, when it was made or what it was for. All that can be said for sure is that it's loosely copied from an English Tudor gold 'George' noble, complete with at least part of its original legend. The rest is guesswork, albeit with some intuition.

 

[Digger RJ]

I don't think we have a solution here, in the sense that we don't know where it came from, who produced it, when it was made or what it was for. All that can be said for sure is that it's loosely copied from an English Tudor gold 'George' noble, complete with at least part of its original legend. The rest is guesswork, albeit with some intuition.

Ok I’ll leave it open. It’s coming together though Thanks!

 

[ColtsPop]

It is British. See sovereigns for example.

 

[Red-Coat]

It is British. See sovereigns for example.

I very much doubt it to be British. The blundered legend suggests it to be continental European as I said above.

 

[Bramblefind]

I think this may be it -

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[Lenrac2]

I think this may be it -

GREAT BRITAIN / FANTASY MEDAL ST GEORGE SLAYING DRAGON ALUMINUM | #4590124553

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I think you nailed it!

 

[unclemac]

that is so odd how it was copied so inaccurately and for what ever reason.

 

[Red-Coat]

I think this may be it -

GREAT BRITAIN / FANTASY MEDAL ST GEORGE SLAYING DRAGON ALUMINUM | #4590124553

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I think you nailed it!

Bingo... that's definitely it, although it doesn't bring us any closer to who made it, where or why. "Fantasy medal" is a bit of a catch-all that leaves open a number of possibilities. At least if it is aluminium we can say it's a relatively modern item and not earlier than the very late 19th Century. More likely 20th Century.

 

[Digger RJ]

I think this may be it -

GREAT BRITAIN / FANTASY MEDAL ST GEORGE SLAYING DRAGON ALUMINUM | #4590124553

COLLECTABLES FROMVANGUARD COLLECTABLESITEM DESCRIPTIONSEE TITLE FOR DESCRIPTION SEE PICS. SEE PIC FOR CONDITION . PHOTOS ARE OF THE ACTUAL ITEM YOU WILL RECEIVE. SEE PICS. .PAYMENTPAYPAL Local pickup

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Sweet!!! You nailed it thank You!!!