Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

Charlie P. (NY)

Gold Member
Feb 3, 2006
13,003
17,106
South Central Upstate NY in the foothills of the h
Detector(s) used
Minelab Musketeer Advantage Pro w/8" & 10" DD coils/Fisher F75se(Upgraded to LTD2) w/11" DD, 6.5" concentric & 9.5" NEL Sharpshooter DD coils/Sunray FX-1 Probe & F-Point/Black Widows/Rattler headphone
Primary Interest:
Metal Detecting
I wouldn't be surprised that the provincial government only allowed them limited permission to make "new holes" or cause new damage to much of the island.

We just created a secant wall (not a flood-wall but huge underground chambers) for some of our below grade biological filtration tanks and, basically, made a 70 ft deep, football field size hole beside a river, and it didn't take much sophisticated equipment to produce the watertight walls: a bore drill and concrete. It's the big, flat area in the upper right of the bottom image).

In the image below the yellow dots are the hard-hats of workers.

attachment.php


BinghamtonJohnson-BAFRestoration-001.jpg
 

Last edited:

Singlestack Wonder

Bronze Member
Mar 28, 2014
1,711
2,627
Detector(s) used
Garrett AT Pro
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Next excuse from the laginas.... "We found the treasure but Canada would not let us move the dirt to retrieve it....Now off we go to solve the secrets of skinwalker ranch"
 

ECS

Banned
Mar 26, 2012
11,639
17,694
Ocala,Florida
Primary Interest:
Other
Now that reminds me of another who always "finds" treasure at locations that he prohibited from digging. :laughing7:
 

n2mini

Hero Member
Jan 7, 2015
982
512
Triad NC
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Next excuse from the laginas.... "We found the treasure but Canada would not let us move the dirt to retrieve it....Now off we go to solve the secrets of skinwalker ranch"

No treasure on skinwalker ranch. Just a filthy rich man that owns it. Apparently the last few people to own the ranch have had strange experiences there as well. What about the Blind Frog Ranch which is near by. They are looking for treasure!!! Also owned by a rich man...
 

Singlestack Wonder

Bronze Member
Mar 28, 2014
1,711
2,627
Detector(s) used
Garrett AT Pro
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Many of us have asked those promoting the hoax of oak island for years to provide at least one example of evidence found in the last 200 years that proves the fictional treasure.

The only thing they have provided to date are fictional stories and excuses.

That’s all the evidence needed to prove the ongoing hoax is real.
 

Singlestack Wonder

Bronze Member
Mar 28, 2014
1,711
2,627
Detector(s) used
Garrett AT Pro
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
I see the folks on my ignore list continue to post. Fortunately their posts take up little page space as the content is not displayed.

Leaves more room for factual historically correct posts from Crow, Kanacki, and others.
 

OP
OP
Robot

Robot

Bronze Member
Mar 10, 2014
2,012
1,706
Primary Interest:
Other
Just Imagine...If I Had That Power...With My Magic Wand!

I see the folks on my ignore list continue to post. Fortunately their posts take up little page space as the content is not displayed.

Leaves more room for factual historically correct posts from Crow, Kanacki, and others.

Who would still be on this Thread?

attachment.php
 

Attachments

  • Magic Wand.jpg
    Magic Wand.jpg
    24.2 KB · Views: 337
OP
OP
Robot

Robot

Bronze Member
Mar 10, 2014
2,012
1,706
Primary Interest:
Other
Will The Real...Shakespeare?...Please Stand Up!

attachment.php
400-Year-Old Cipher Unraveled by High School English Teacher

Potentially Paradigm Changing Discovery Shared with Hit Series on The History Channel

NEWS PROVIDED BY
Slewfoot Publishing, Inc. Jun 29, 2021, 08:34 ET

POTSDAM, N.Y., June 29, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- New author and high school English teacher, Jake Roberts, recently made astonishing discoveries by studying a famous monument associated with one of his favorite writers, William Shakespeare. During the COVID-19 lockdown, a few friends researching for the hit television show The Curse of Oak Island on History Channel, made a suggestion: They had been studying the plaque appearing on William Shakespeare's Funerary Monument in Holy Trinity Church in Stratford-upon-Avon, England. They suggested he take a look as well. When he found messages encrypted on the plaque by Sir Francis Bacon, he realized he had a major discovery.


Book Cover



"I could tell by certain features of the text, we were dealing with what's called a transposition cipher," Mr. Roberts stated. "That meant I needed to find the correct key to rearrange the characters, to then reveal the cipher texts. So that's what I did." In fact, the veteran teacher of 28 years discovered multiple shocking cipher messages, including the answer to the question ? Did Sir Francis Bacon actually write the works attributed to William Shakespeare? He matter-of-factly responded with, "yes. But that was by far the least controversial message." While many scholars have suspected that "Bacon was the Bard," this could be the first time anyone has found the statement coming directly from Francis Bacon himself.
The messages and the deciphering techniques used by Mr. Roberts all appear in his book, The Holy Trinity Decryption: The Hidden Autobiography of Sir Francis Bacon. In addition to the Shakespeare authorship question, the messages name Bacon's true mother and identity, and even the names of some of his aliases, which are among the most shocking and controversial messages hidden within the plaque. Some of the information was even shared with the Lagina brothers, Rick and Marty, of The Curse of Oak Island fame. The book is published by Slewfoot Publishing, Inc. and is available on Amazon.com in Kindle and paperback form.
Slewfoot Publishing, Inc. is a small independent corporation dedicated to identifying authors who possess a unique worldview. Our intention is to stay small, keeping costs low for ourselves and maximizing profits for authors. This author's webpage can be found at http://www.theghostsofbacon.com.
Contact:
Editorial Dept.
c/o Jake Roberts
(315) 212-8982
[email protected]
https://www.slewfootpublishing.com/
https://www.theghostsofbacon.com/

SOURCE Slewfoot Publishing, Inc.
 

Attachments

  • Francis Bacon superbsmall.jpg
    Francis Bacon superbsmall.jpg
    12.1 KB · Views: 490
OP
OP
Robot

Robot

Bronze Member
Mar 10, 2014
2,012
1,706
Primary Interest:
Other
What Is In A...Name?

I am glad it comes from a reliable source...



attachment.php

NEWS PROVIDED BY
Slewfoot Publishing, Inc.

attachment.php



?WHAT'S IN A NAME? THAT WHICH WE CALL A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME WOULD SMELL AS SWEET? (QUOTE FROM ROMEO AND JULIET BY WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE, CA. 1600)
 

Attachments

  • Sir Francis Bacon.jpg
    Sir Francis Bacon.jpg
    5.9 KB · Views: 326

Customx_12

Hero Member
May 22, 2008
547
304
Detector(s) used
Tesoro Silver uMax
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
I stopped wasting my time on this show after season two. I assume they still haven’t found anything and it’s just the same old faux “excitement” after allegedly finding buttons or coins?
 

gazzahk

Bronze Member
Nov 14, 2015
1,714
2,573
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
I stopped wasting my time on this show after season two. I assume they still haven?t found anything and it?s just the same old faux ?excitement? after allegedly finding buttons or coins?
Dont't tell me you missed the episode where Marty dug this up..

is-marty-lagina-about-to-divorce-his-wife-unseen-affair-of-marty.jpg

Still given it was not Templar treasure it never made the news...

pngtree-hand-drawn-stunned-speechless-emoticon-pack-png-image_2815387.jpg
 

franklin

Gold Member
Jun 1, 2012
5,036
7,168
Detector(s) used
Garrett ADS-7X, Fisher Two Box M-Scope, Mother Lode Locator, Dowsing Model 20 Electroscope, White's TM808, White's TM900, Inground Scanners
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
The only thing Marty digs is his ass.
 

ECS

Banned
Mar 26, 2012
11,639
17,694
Ocala,Florida
Primary Interest:
Other
... New author and high school English teacher, Jake Roberts, recently made astonishing discoveries by studying a famous monument associated with one of his favorite writers, William Shakespeare.
During the COVID-19 lockdown, a few friends researching for the hit television show The Curse of Oak Island on History Channel, made a suggestion: They had been studying the plaque appearing on William Shakespeare's Funerary Monument in Holy Trinity Church in Stratford-upon-Avon, England.
They suggested he take a look as well. When he found messages encrypted on the plaque by Sir Francis Bacon, he realized he had a major discovery.
...
"I could tell by certain features of the text, we were dealing with what's called a transposition cipher," Mr. Roberts stated. "That meant I needed to find the correct key to rearrange the characters, to then reveal the cipher texts. So that's what I did."
In fact, the veteran teacher of 28 years discovered multiple shocking cipher messages, including the answer to the question ?
Did Sir Francis Bacon actually write the works attributed to William Shakespeare? He matter-of-factly responded with, "yes...

A new contender to join the modern ranks of Sir Francis Bacon was the real playwright of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays based solely on alleged "hidden" ciphers embedded in those works by Bacon.
Jake Roberts claims he discovered these messages by utilizing a "transposition cipher" in which Roberts had to find the "correct key".
Francis Bacon did indeed indulge in ciphers, and wrote several essays on the two he created, the steganographic in 1605 and the Bilateral Code" in 1623, neither was a "transposition cipher" nor needed a "key", and both are readily available on the internet and/or in books concerning Bacon's ciphers.
Try using both Bacon's actual ciphers and see if you result with the same message as Jake Roberts.

The early claims of Bacon as the real creator of Shakespeare's works began in the mid and late 19th century with US Congressman
Ignatius Donnelly (1863-1869) a proponent of several fringe pseudohistory theories, Elizabeth Wells Gallup who quoted Bacon's "Bilteral" not bilateral code, and Orville Ward Owen who invented the BACON CIPHER WHEEL, and William T Smedley with his 1905 "THE MYSTERY OF FRANCIS BACON" book- all long on unproven speculation but short on actual evidence to prove that Bacon, not Shakespeare was the true author.
Then there is Manly P Hall, the archaic esoteric mystic author of "THE SECRET DESTINY OF AMERICA" (1942) who stated that Bacon placed hidden Rosicrucian codes in the KING JAMES BIBLE and the avowed anti-Christian occultist Alestair Crowley confirmed.
Francis Bacon was never involved in any way with the KJV, and documentation that proves such.
In 1957 US Government Cryptologist took on the Bacon/Shakespeare debate with "THE SHAKESPEARE CIPHERS EXPLAINED", proving there were NO hidden messages placed by Bacon in the Bard's works, nor was Bacon the actual author.
The syntax sentence structure, phrasing, word usage of both Shakespeare and Bacon were uniquely different and distinctively identifiably style on what each wrote.
One would think that would be the end of these nonsense claims. NOT SO.
Penn Leary in his 1987 "THE CRYPTOGRAPHIC SHAKESPEARE" started it up again, and since there is Norwegian church organist, Peter Amundsen, who has also found these Bacon ciphers in Shakespeare that lead to treasure hidden at Oak Island.
If one actually studied the life of Sir Francis Bacon, who would quickly realize with all his written works and other activities including his involvement with the nobility and Royal Court intrigues, he lack the time to consort with "mere players on a stage" much less author their plays.
 

Last edited:

KANACKI

Bronze Member
Mar 1, 2015
1,445
5,927
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
A new contender to join the modern ranks of Sir Francis Bacon was the real playwright of Shakespeare's sonnets and plays based solely on alleged "hidden" ciphers embedded in those works by Bacon.
Jake Roberts claims he discovered these messages by utilizing a "transposition cipher" in which Roberts had to find the "correct key".
Francis Bacon did indeed indulge in ciphers, and wrote several essays on the two he created, the steganographic in 1605 and the Bilateral Code" in 1623, neither was a "transposition cipher" nor needed a "key", and both are readily available on the internet and/or in books concerning Bacon's ciphers.
Try using both Bacon's actual ciphers and see if you result with the same message as Jake Roberts.

The early claims of Bacon as the real creator of Shakespeare's works began in the mid and late 19th century with US Congressman
Ignatius Donnelly (1863-1869) a proponent of several fringe pseudohistory theories, Elizabeth Wells Gallup who quoted Bacon's "Bilteral" not bilateral code, and Orville Ward Owen who invented the BACON CIPHER WHEEL, and William T Smedley with his 1905 "THE MYSTERY OF FRANCIS BACON" book- all long on unproven speculation but short on actual evidence to prove that Bacon, not Shakespeare was the true author.
Then there is Manly P Hall, the archaic esoteric mystic author of "THE SECRET DESTINY OF AMERICA" (1942) who stated that Bacon placed hidden Rosicrucian codes in the KING JAMES BIBLE and the avowed anti-Christian occultist Alestair Crowley confirmed.
Francis Bacon was never involved in any way with the KJV, and documentation that proves such.
In 1957 US Government Cryptologist took on the Bacon/Shakespeare debate with "THE SHAKESPEARE CIPHERS EXPLAINED", proving there were NO hidden messages placed by Bacon in the Bard's works, nor was Bacon the actual author.
The syntax sentence structure, phrasing, word usage of both Shakespeare and Bacon were uniquely different and distinctively identifiably style on what each wrote.
One would think that would be the end of these nonsense claims. NOT SO.
Penn Leary in his 1987 "THE CRYPTOGRAPHIC SHAKESPEARE" started it up again, and since there is Norwegian church organist, Peter Amundsen, who has also found these Bacon ciphers in Shakespeare that lead to treasure hidden at Oak Island.
If one actually studied the life of Sir Francis Bacon, who would quickly realize with all his written works and other activities including his involvement with the nobility and Royal Court intrigues, he lack the time to consort with "mere players on a stage" much less author their plays.

Hola Amigo

A Professor Owen in 1911 claimed he translated a Cypher that leave him to believe there was a secret cave under Chepstow castle in Wales that had manuscripts hidden that would prove Francis Bacon was the author of Shakespeare. Its goes to show these Cyphers can be anything your imagination makes it to be. Here the story below.

Source Sun (Kalgoorlie, WA : 1898 - 1929), Sunday 28 May 1911, page 15

Sun kalgoolie Sunday 28 May 1911, page 15 p1.jpg

Sun kalgoolie Sunday 28 May 1911, page 15 p2.jpg

Sun kalgoolie Sunday 28 May 1911, page 15 p3.jpg

Sun kalgoolie Sunday 28 May 1911, page 15 p4.jpg

It cannot be both but it is an example how things get taken out of context. Now that site is out of fashion oak island is it.

PS if you want to see pictures inside of that cave ask Crow. He and hardluck visited there in 2003 while hardluck was visiting relatives?

Kanacki
 

Crow

Silver Member
Jan 28, 2005
3,318
9,265
In a tax haven some where
Detector(s) used
ONES THAT GO BEEP! :-)
Primary Interest:
Other
Gidday Amigos

Here is a link below, Orville wasted his life career chasing a folly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_Ward_Owen




I do have somewhere pictures on the site his alleged cave under Chepstow castle. It has since been closed off to the public as there there is slippage in 11th century walls of the castle was in danger of collapsing. The was nothing much to see. We was just doing tourist stuff visiting the castle the cave was bonus at the time.

But it does illustrate how people can become obsessed.

Of course that obsession with Bacon and Shakespeare has shifted to Oak island.

Crow
 

franklin

Gold Member
Jun 1, 2012
5,036
7,168
Detector(s) used
Garrett ADS-7X, Fisher Two Box M-Scope, Mother Lode Locator, Dowsing Model 20 Electroscope, White's TM808, White's TM900, Inground Scanners
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
And it is making the Lagina brothers and others richer since some of them already are rich.
 

ECS

Banned
Mar 26, 2012
11,639
17,694
Ocala,Florida
Primary Interest:
Other
Professor Owen in 1911 claimed he translated a Cypher that leave him to believe there was a secret cave under Chepstow castle in Wales that had manuscripts hidden that would prove Francis Bacon was the author of Shakespeare.
Its goes to show these Cyphers can be anything your imagination makes it to be...
It cannot be both but it is an example how things get taken out of context...
Similar to Diana Jean Muir's "discovery" of the Sinclair Templar Journals that mention hiding Templar treasures on Oak Island, Virginia M Fellows "discovered" Orville Ward Owen's Bacon Cipher Wheel in a Detroit warehouse, which in her 2006 book "THE SHAKESPEARE CODE", proves that Bacon was the author of Shakespeare's plays.
Fellows, not a professional codebreaker in anyway, takes issue with the the conclusions of profession US government cryptologists Elizabeth and William Friedman that there are NO hidden Bacon coded messages embedded in Shakespeare's works:
"There is so much that can be said on this subject, in spite of the fact that the Friedmans could not find a cipher in Shakespeare.
Bacon was not obligated to design his ciphers to suit their rules"-Virginia M Fellows
All those who have "found" these alleged hidden Bacon ciphers in Shakespeare's works were PREDISPOSED in the belief that Bacon, not Shakespeare wrote all those plays and sonnets, and preceded to decode these hidden messages, proving that as Kanacki stated, "these ciphers can be anything your imagination makes it to be", ie, if one believes there is a hidden Bacon cipher, you will discover it to prove one's preconceived pet theory, which has been demonstrated over and over from Donnelly to Owen to Gallup to Smedly to Leary to Fellows to Amundson , and now Jake Roberts, none of whom with professional codebreaking knowledge or experience, but able to "decipher" what professionals in that field were unable to do.
'NUFF SAID!...still the beat goes on and on and on...
 

Last edited:
OP
OP
Robot

Robot

Bronze Member
Mar 10, 2014
2,012
1,706
Primary Interest:
Other

Attachments

  • Gary-Drayton-2.jpg
    Gary-Drayton-2.jpg
    56.2 KB · Views: 186

franklin

Gold Member
Jun 1, 2012
5,036
7,168
Detector(s) used
Garrett ADS-7X, Fisher Two Box M-Scope, Mother Lode Locator, Dowsing Model 20 Electroscope, White's TM808, White's TM900, Inground Scanners
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
attachment.php

Gary Drayton from The Curse of Oak Island has arrived on YouTube, where he hopes to help out others in their quest to find some treasure. And his first video is all about choosing the best metal detector. Gives top tips on getting the best metal detector





https://www.monstersandcritics.com/...-top-tips-on-getting-the-best-metal-detector/


I have found more walking in the woods 10 miles from no where and found more treasure than Gary Drayton has found on Oak Island in the past 8 years and you want to listen to him about buying a metal detector? Crazy.
 

Top Member Reactions

Users who are viewing this thread

Top