Old Shaft Unearthed in Anza-Borrego Desert!!

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R E S T U R A N T S ?? sheesh gully, what have our seekers of lost mines etc turned into? I remember two dry tortillas a day, or a bit of Pinole for days of walking, and as for cold drnks?? sigh

I s my purty whitel Land Rover still ok?

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Hold on now...crashband...you are no derp... an old thread does not mean the treasure has been found...take for instance the previous posters... Treasureminder/Rog (or whatever he calls himself today) is unreliable at best. He is originally from New Mexico and doubt he has ever been to Anza-Borrego. Gollum - still posts on Treasurenet, is the expert regarding the Anza-Borrego desert stories. he has been there, and has the best research I have seen available on the area. PM him and he might help you out.

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That tunnel is still one I am keeping under my hat (more or less). Mainly because, at best, its very dangerous to crawl in. I will not post locations of places under the following conditions:

1. If its something I am or plan on working.
2.If the subject is in a remote location and is an historically significant thing.

The "danger to others" is an important thing, but adults can make their own decisions as to what they consider safe. Just like getting a flu-shot or wearing a mask! LOL I remember while researching the "10 Oxcarts of Treasure" Story, I read about a guy in (IIRC) 1967 that believed he could just drive close to it, walk a short way and collect the treasure. He drove his old VW Beetle out there, and broke down somewhere near Ocotillo Wells. He only had a quart of water with him because the story he had read in Treasure Magazine made it sound like it was just sitting so close that anyone could drive up and carry it home. He died out there. They found his broken down Beetle several days later. He wasn't very far from it. In 1967, the area was not populated except for a very few Desert Rats.

Since I live in Central Arizona now, I don't get out to Anza-Borrego very often. I know a guy here that bought a small ranch in the hills near Dewey-Humboldt. While clearing his property of Catclaw and Scruboak, he found what looked like a rusty piece of oddly shaped sheet metal. When he had it looked at, he learned that it was a Spanish Morion Helmet.

But back to Anza-Borrego

I will give y'all some interesting things to go and find:

1. If you go to "Font's Point" (just East of Borrego Springs), look down at the "mess of snakes" of canyons at the base. If you spend some time exploring those washes, you will find many travel signs and symbols carved into the canyon walls. You can also find other VERY interesting things like:
dinohead1.jpg

Not too far from this "thing" are the (now buried) remains of a Mastodon/Mammoth. Chuck Kenworthy found this in the mid 1970s. There are gigantic piles of rounded river gravel and places large rectangles of hilltops were dug up. That was someone either dry-washing or running a sluice/highbanker testing for gold. I don't remember all the wash names, but I do remember "Hills of the Moon" wash was very productive. Several of the photographs from Chuck Kenworthy's Book "Spanish Monuments and Trailmarkers to Treasure in the United States" of stone monuments can be found here. Actually, about 90% of all the monuments in the book are from either Anza-Borrego Desert or The Superstition Mountains in Arizona. Specifically, when you get to the entrance to Hills of the Moon Wash, look to your left and you will see the "MELTED FACE" Monument. When you see that, start looking to your right. Its pretty far (maybe a quarter mile) East of the wash, but the "FISH MONUMENT" is easily seen. The Fish Monument was probably made by the DeAnza Expedition, as it locates a fresh water spring near the "Pumpkin Patch" at the base of Borrego Mountain East Butte(now covered by some flat rocks and dry as a bone). The easiest way to get to these wash entrances is to take Highway 78 to the Ocotillo Wells SVRA (State Vehicle Recreation Area). This is at the South End of Borrego Mountain (East Butte). Take the road around the East Side, past The Pumpkin Patch. You will get to San Felipe Creek/Wash. It is from here that you find "Rainbow Wash", "Hills of the Moon Wash", "Big Wash", "Third Wash", and "Fault Wash". They all twist and wind wind themselves up to the base of the cliffs East of Font's Point. Two things to be careful of here. Rattlers and where the rain comes down the cliffs, it has eroded the hardpack to make weird caves. They are dangerous and contain a ton of loose boulders set in hard packed sand. Not very secure. I always wondered if I could get down far enough to find where all that gold that washed out of Anza-Borrego settled. I tried a couple and only got in a couple of feet before testing the roof and walls with a pry bar. Everything just started coming loose, so I bounced. Will not go back in for love or money! I also recommend most highly that nobody try it. Also, a geologist explained that the hardpack under that stretch of land is about 1000 feet below the surface. This also kind of confirms part of Earl Dorr's Kokoweef Peak story that his underground river was several thousand feet below Kokoweef Peak.

Enough for now. Never sweat replying to an old post. Especially of the OP is still active on TNet.

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That tunnel is still one I am keeping under my hat (more or less). Mainly because, at best, its very dangerous to crawl in. I will not post locations of places under the following conditions:

1. If its something I am or plan on working.
2.If the subject is in a remote location and is an historically significant thing.

The "danger to others" is an important thing, but adults can make their own decisions as to what they consider safe. Just like getting a flu-shot or wearing a mask! LOL I remember while researching the "10 Oxcarts of Treasure" Story, I read about a guy in (IIRC) 1967 that believed he could just drive close to it, walk a short way and collect the treasure. He drove his old VW Beetle out there, and broke down somewhere near Ocotillo Wells. He only had a quart of water with him because the story he had read in Treasure Magazine made it sound like it was just sitting so close that anyone could drive up and carry it home. He died out there. They found his broken down Beetle several days later. He wasn't very far from it. In 1967, the area was not populated except for a very few Desert Rats.

Since I live in Central Arizona now, I don't get out to Anza-Borrego very often. I know a guy here that bought a small ranch in the hills near Dewey-Humboldt. While clearing his property of Catclaw and Scruboak, he found what looked like a rusty piece of oddly shaped sheet metal. When he had it looked at, he learned that it was a Spanish Morion Helmet.

But back to Anza-Borrego

I will give y'all some interesting things to go and find:

1. If you go to "Font's Point" (just East of Borrego Springs), look down at the "mess of snakes" of canyons at the base. If you spend some time exploring those washes, you will find many travel signs and symbols carved into the canyon walls. You can also find other VERY interesting things like:
View attachment 1988275
Not too far from this "thing" are the (now buried) remains of a Mastodon/Mammoth. Chuck Kenworthy found this in the mid 1970s. There are gigantic piles of rounded river gravel and places large rectangles of hilltops were dug up. That was someone either dry-washing or running a sluice/highbanker testing for gold. I don't remember all the wash names, but I do remember "Hills of the Moon" wash was very productive. Several of the photographs from Chuck Kenworthy's Book "Spanish Monuments and Trailmarkers to Treasure in the United States" of stone monuments can be found here. Actually, about 90% of all the monuments in the book are from either Anza-Borrego Desert or The Superstition Mountains in Arizona. Specifically, when you get to the entrance to Hills of the Moon Wash, look to your left and you will see the "MELTED FACE" Monument. When you see that, start looking to your right. Its pretty far (maybe a quarter mile) East of the wash, but the "FISH MONUMENT" is easily seen. The Fish Monument was probably made by the DeAnza Expedition, as it locates a fresh water spring near the "Pumpkin Patch" at the base of Borrego Mountain East Butte(now covered by some flat rocks and dry as a bone). The easiest way to get to these wash entrances is to take Highway 78 to the Ocotillo Wells SVRA (State Vehicle Recreation Area). This is at the South End of Borrego Mountain (East Butte). Take the road around the East Side, past The Pumpkin Patch. You will get to San Felipe Creek/Wash. It is from here that you find "Rainbow Wash", "Hills of the Moon Wash", "Big Wash", "Third Wash", and "Fault Wash". They all twist and wind wind themselves up to the base of the cliffs East of Font's Point. Two things to be careful of here. Rattlers and where the rain comes down the cliffs, it has eroded the hardpack to make weird caves. They are dangerous and contain a ton of loose boulders set in hard packed sand. Not very secure. I always wondered if I could get down far enough to find where all that gold that washed out of Anza-Borrego settled. I tried a couple and only got in a couple of feet before testing the roof and walls with a pry bar. Everything just started coming loose, so I bounced. Will not go back in for love or money! I also recommend most highly that nobody try it. Also, a geologist explained that the hardpack under that stretch of land is about 1000 feet below the surface. This also kind of confirms part of Earl Dorr's Kokoweef Peak story that his underground river was several thousand feet below Kokoweef Peak.

Enough for now. Never sweat replying to an old post. Especially of the OP is still active on TNet.

Take Care - Mike
Still haven't found traces of those Spaniards up on the sheeps Mike, I did find my buddy Longs camp, some happy guntoters shot it up with automatic weapons now there's about a million pieces of shrapnel covering the flat and trail head.
I gave up metal detecting the site.
Gt......
 
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Still haven't found traces of those Spaniards up on the sheeps Mike, I did find my buddy Longs camp, some happy guntoters shot it up with automatic weapons now there's about a million pieces of shrapnel covering the flat and trail head.
I gave up metal detecting the site.
Gt......
GT,

If you haven't found traces of Spaniards, then you haven't been looking very hard. LOL There were several Spanish/Mexican Mines, but they have all been reopened and worked first in the 1880s, then again during the Depression in the 1930s. Take Highway 62 out of 29 Stumps to Amboy Road. Head towards Amboy until you see the Cell Towers on the right (East) side of the road. Here are some modern things you can find:
1. From the towers follow the dirt road North and then to the East. You will find a LARGE cement ore washing area (mercury or arsenic).
2. From the towers, take the dirt trail South. You will come around the Southern end of a large wash. Make the turn and head North in the wash. Find this large cement water catchment,
cistern1.JPG

and go up this canyon. The first thing you will find are some modern nugget traps (cement). You can spend weeks up this wash (I spent years here). The trail gets nasty and narrow in places. You will soon find (at the top of a waterfall) a 1932 Ford Chassis bolted to a large boulder. It must have been used to haul ore out and equipment up (engine is long gone). You will also find a bunch of mines going up the mountain on the right side (South Side of the canyon). On the North Side is a very old monumented trail heading to the top of that peak.
3. If you pass the canyon with the water catchment, you will find some neat things: An arrastra (modern), and a Cement Pad for a small stamp mill:
arrastraandmillpad.JPG

There is a ton more, but this will get you started.

Mike
 

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If you haven't found traces of Spaniards, then you haven't been looking very hard. LOL There were several Spanish/Mexican Mines, but they have all been reopened and worked first in the 1880s, then again during the Depression in the 1930s. Take Highway 62 out of 29 Stumps to Amboy Road. Head towards Amboy until you see the Cell Towers on the right (East) side of the road. Here are some modern things you can find:
1. From the towers follow the dirt road North and then to the East. You will find a LARGE cement ore washing area (mercury or arsenic).
2. From the towers, take the dirt trail South. You will come around the Southern end of a large wash. Make the turn and head North in the wash. Find this large cement water catchment,
View attachment 1990145
and go up this canyon. The first thing you will find are some modern nugget traps (cement). You can spend weeks up this wash (I spent years here). The trail gets nasty and narrow in places. You will soon find (at the top of a waterfall) a 1932 Ford Chassis bolted to a large boulder. It must have been used to haul ore out and equipment up (engine is long gone). You will also find a bunch of mines going up the mountain on the right side (South Side of the canyon). On the North Side is a very old monumented trail heading to the top of that peak.
3. If you pass the canyon with the water catchment, you will find some neat things: An arrastra (modern), and a Cement Pad for a small stamp mill:
View attachment 1990146
There is a ton more, but this will get you started.

Mike
Not much you can tell me about the Sheephole mnt, I've actually spent and documented better than 3 years with my boys climbing all over them lookin for the Spanish and my ole buddy Long. They are a stones throw from my house here in wonder valley, I've seen all that stuff you are showing.
I guess if you say the Spanish were there you found proof so be it...
Gt...
Remember Mike I actually have a working arrastra in my front yard that has Sheephole granite for grind stones..
 
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Bridle Bells, Buttons, and pieces of riding tack can be found with a metal detector. We did.

There is an old trail along the South Side of that same canyon. Its monumented. There is a square sighting hole (with a pointer inside) that shows a once hidden cave/shaft/prospect. From there, every (except one) mineshaft can be found with (I call them) gunsights. They are small rocks wedged in gaps between larger rocks. If you have really been all over that area, then you must have found several interesting things I left (LOL some by accident like an Estwing Orange Handle GeoPick). If I see pics, I will confirm anything.

I have posted pics of some of the gunsights before. I'll see if I can dig them up here. A bunch of crap got packed away when I moved to Az in 2017, and I haven't needed it since.

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Only thing I found metallic was longs shot shell brass, one of his tabacco cans with paper inside what was left, his burros shoe a cooking pan fell off his burro, the depression era tabacco cans with readable paper work. And gold from his workins.
Any ways it's a good argument as to wether you found Spanish artifacts, if I had they would be in my display cabnet up front and the first thing I put back out if I moved.

Good talking bout the sheep mnts and the Spanish I was up the Bullion's just last week chasing down trails, camps, diggins, and as always lookin for the Spanish, they might been good geologist and knew just by looking there no gold up there that's why I can't seem to find any traces of them.
Maybe you got everything ?
Gt ....
One more thing to add before bed, we found the blm guys badge that he lost while removing the old pipe cross up in the rocks.
 
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Only thing I found metallic was longs shot shell brass, one of his tabacco cans with paper inside what was left, his burros shoe a cooking pan fell off his burro, the depression era tabacco cans with readable paper work. And gold from his workins.
Any ways it's a good argument as to wether you found Spanish artifacts, if I had they would be in my display cabnet up front and the first thing I put back out if I moved.

Good talking bout the sheep mnts and the Spanish I was up the Bullion's just last week chasing down trails, camps, diggins, and as always lookin for the Spanish, they might been good geologist and knew just by looking there no gold up there that's why I can't seem to find any traces of them.
Maybe you got everything ?
Gt ....
One more thing to add before bed, we found the blm guys badge that he lost while removing the old pipe cross up in the rocks.
No gold up where? Sheeps? Nothing but gold(sulphides)/copper there. Almost the entire range was under claim at several points in history. It just takes a crap-ton of digging brass, lead, bottle caps, pull tabs, and old cans. Occasionally a modern coin or two. Once even found someone's house key at the top of the mountain. LOL I don't think so highly of myself that I believe I have found everything good to find there. I can almost guarantee that after every good rain, more stuff will turn up, and I haven't been there since about 2016. I have told the story a bunch of times, but be careful. A very large mountain lion must be denning up in one of those old mines, as she trailed me down that canyon almost all the way to the truck. Probably to make sure I didn't go near her babies.

I spent a bunch of time in and around the Bullions as well. I was only chasing down one story I got from an old Jarhead :laughing7::laughing7::laughing7:at the historical society. Since I doubt I will spend any more time on this story, I will give it out.

So, around 1950 or so, 29 Stumps Security Patrol was patrolling the Gunnery Range. They spotted a guy walking in a nasty waterless area. They approached him to see if he needed help, but he drew a gun and fired at them. They returned fire killing him. He was wearing a backpack, and in that pack were two gold bars about two pounds each. The Gubmint looked into who this guy was. Turns out, the dead guy had been in the area training to go to North Africa in 1941. He was a rockhound, and spent his spare time hiking around the mountains. He told his friends that he found a cave that held a stack of gold bars. He refused to give them more details, and they thought he was full of crap. He had also told his family and friends the same story after returning from the war. He wasn't able to get back until about five years later. This was when he was killed. I don't remember exactly where he was from. IIRC it was either Chicago or Detroit. Not a ton of detail, but since I was beating up the Sheeps at the time, I decided to also spend some time on the other side of Amboy Road. LOL Have you seen the old HotRod/RaceCar over there? Still readable NHRA Sticker on it. I want to say it was a 1938 or 1940. Its all shot up, and nothing usable is on the car. Probably stolen from L.A.

Mike
 

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