Points that drive you nuts

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On the advice of a returning member I thought I’d try a thread. I’m sure we all have points we’ve found that defy identification. Personally I’m a bit caught in between two schools of thought, I like the idea that points are on a continuum and we pick arbitrary spots to break them down into different types, so typing them is only mildly helpful. On the other hand I think that finding certain forms repeatedly in the same context does have a lot of value in giving likely context for a matching point found elsewhere. But that aside I’ll start with this one, I’d love to pin down an Id on it because it’s found in a spot with early archaic and possibly transitional points and it’s my first and only complete point I’ve found buried and documented in context. Found south east Kansas. Anyone else with a point theyd like to take another crack at, feel free to post
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On the advice of a returning member I thought I’d try a thread. I’m sure we all have points we’ve found that defy identification. Personally I’m a bit caught in between two schools of thought, I like the idea that points are on a continuum and we pick arbitrary spots to break them down into different types, so typing them is only mildly helpful. On the other hand I think that finding certain forms repeatedly in the same context does have a lot of value in giving likely context for a matching point found elsewhere. But that aside I’ll start with this one, I’d love to pin down an Id on it because it’s found in a spot with early archaic and possibly transitional points and it’s my first and only complete point I’ve found buried and documented in context. Found south east Kansas. Anyone else with a point theyd like to take another crack at, feel free to post View attachment 2067646
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That’s a good one. I might have a few unknowns. Lots of trading in my area. I find Alabama points here in NW Georgia. I hope someone recognizes it for you.
 

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Pretty cool. I think trade was a lot more widespread than people realize. At the Turkey Creek Plains Villager Farmers site in Custer County, OK, they found a bowl believed to be from Spiro Mounds. At a site in Washita County, OK, we found turquoise and obsidian. And alibates flint travelled far and wide from its location north of Amarillo.
 
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Pretty cool. I think trade was a lot more widespread than people realize. At the Turkey Creek Plains Villager Farmers site in Custer County, OK, they found a bowl believed to be from Spiro Mounds. At a site in Washita County, OK, we found turquoise and obsidian. And alibates flint travelled far and wide from its location north of Amarillo.
I’ve got some pieces of Sioux quartzite from the same site, closest source is glacial till about 2 hours north and true source up in the Dakotas I believe.
 

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I’ve got some pieces of Sioux quartzite from the same site, closest source is glacial till about 2 hours north and true source up in the Dakotas I believe.
Most of the creeks I hunt empty into the Etowah river so I find all types from other states that the river runs through. I find materials from Tennessee and types of points from Alabama, SC, TN and some I don’t even know. Copena culture is strong here also. Thanks for the conversation
 
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Rivers can move things a long way but this spot is high and dry, if it was river action the whole county would be underwater, the quartzite had to have walked here. I do like finding exotic materials, I think I’ve got a few of the well known Texas Alibates, and one scraper that looks like a dead ringer for a material from Oregon. Still looking for a bit of obsidian.
Back to the original point I didn’t want to be suggestive, but my best guess is Logan creek. Problem is it’s not know in the area
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Rivers can move things a long way but this spot is high and dry, if it was river action the whole county would be underwater, the quartzite had to have walked here. I do like finding exotic materials, I think I’ve got a few of the well known Texas Alibates, and one scraper that looks like a dead ringer for a material from Oregon. Still looking for a bit of obsidian.
Back to the original point I didn’t want to be suggestive, but my best guess is Logan creek. Problem is it’s not know in the area
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I will try and upload a picture tomorrow for you to look at. Been a crazy week at work
 
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I guess I should add while that one overstreet picture of a Logan creek looks like an exact match, diving deeper into that type most examples don’t look similar
 
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Not familiar with this type but the notches on the examples are more narrow than on your find.
Yep, I was fact checking myself by looking at Logan creeks again, the only thing I noticed was 85% or more had one ear that was slightly longer and with a little droop. Otherwise there seems to be a pretty wide variation in the type when placed side by side I wouldn’t consider some examples the same type
 

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Okay Older I’m sharing 2.
The first many have said Dalton but it’s made from a thin grainy material probably stained quartzite and water worn. The material is hard to say if it’s ground at all. Both sides NW Georgia
 

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Here’s a mystery lance. I’ve heard a few guesses.
Stemmed Lance
Beaver Lake
Archaic Knife
Could be a Copena but haven’t heard anyone say for sure.
Ground along the base and slightly along the edges 3/4 the way up on both sides.
Found in the same creek as the Dalton just further upstream and the creek runs 30+ miles long with heavy currents 3-4 times a year. NW Georgia PF
Ohh neither show any bevel.
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Since I had the book out… Ohio lanceolate for number 2? It was the closest one I saw in overstreet, but I’m still working outside my geographical area of comfort
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