Points that drive you nuts

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On the advice of a returning member I thought Iā€™d try a thread. Iā€™m sure we all have points weā€™ve found that defy identification. Personally Iā€™m a bit caught in between two schools of thought, I like the idea that points are on a continuum and we pick arbitrary spots to break them down into different types, so typing them is only mildly helpful. On the other hand I think that finding certain forms repeatedly in the same context does have a lot of value in giving likely context for a matching point found elsewhere. But that aside Iā€™ll start with this one, Iā€™d love to pin down an Id on it because itā€™s found in a spot with early archaic and possibly transitional points and itā€™s my first and only complete point Iā€™ve found buried and documented in context. Found south east Kansas. Anyone else with a point theyd like to take another crack at, feel free to post
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On the advice of a returning member I thought Iā€™d try a thread. Iā€™m sure we all have points weā€™ve found that defy identification. Personally Iā€™m a bit caught in between two schools of thought, I like the idea that points are on a continuum and we pick arbitrary spots to break them down into different types, so typing them is only mildly helpful. On the other hand I think that finding certain forms repeatedly in the same context does have a lot of value in giving likely context for a matching point found elsewhere. But that aside Iā€™ll start with this one, Iā€™d love to pin down an Id on it because itā€™s found in a spot with early archaic and possibly transitional points and itā€™s my first and only complete point Iā€™ve found buried and documented in context. Found south east Kansas. Anyone else with a point theyd like to take another crack at, feel free to post View attachment 2067646
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Thatā€™s a good one. I might have a few unknowns. Lots of trading in my area. I find Alabama points here in NW Georgia. I hope someone recognizes it for you.
 

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Pretty cool. I think trade was a lot more widespread than people realize. At the Turkey Creek Plains Villager Farmers site in Custer County, OK, they found a bowl believed to be from Spiro Mounds. At a site in Washita County, OK, we found turquoise and obsidian. And alibates flint travelled far and wide from its location north of Amarillo.
 

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Pretty cool. I think trade was a lot more widespread than people realize. At the Turkey Creek Plains Villager Farmers site in Custer County, OK, they found a bowl believed to be from Spiro Mounds. At a site in Washita County, OK, we found turquoise and obsidian. And alibates flint travelled far and wide from its location north of Amarillo.
Iā€™ve got some pieces of Sioux quartzite from the same site, closest source is glacial till about 2 hours north and true source up in the Dakotas I believe.
 

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Iā€™ve got some pieces of Sioux quartzite from the same site, closest source is glacial till about 2 hours north and true source up in the Dakotas I believe.
Most of the creeks I hunt empty into the Etowah river so I find all types from other states that the river runs through. I find materials from Tennessee and types of points from Alabama, SC, TN and some I donā€™t even know. Copena culture is strong here also. Thanks for the conversation
 

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Rivers can move things a long way but this spot is high and dry, if it was river action the whole county would be underwater, the quartzite had to have walked here. I do like finding exotic materials, I think Iā€™ve got a few of the well known Texas Alibates, and one scraper that looks like a dead ringer for a material from Oregon. Still looking for a bit of obsidian.
Back to the original point I didnā€™t want to be suggestive, but my best guess is Logan creek. Problem is itā€™s not know in the area
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Rivers can move things a long way but this spot is high and dry, if it was river action the whole county would be underwater, the quartzite had to have walked here. I do like finding exotic materials, I think Iā€™ve got a few of the well known Texas Alibates, and one scraper that looks like a dead ringer for a material from Oregon. Still looking for a bit of obsidian.
Back to the original point I didnā€™t want to be suggestive, but my best guess is Logan creek. Problem is itā€™s not know in the area
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I will try and upload a picture tomorrow for you to look at. Been a crazy week at work
 

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I guess I should add while that one overstreet picture of a Logan creek looks like an exact match, diving deeper into that type most examples donā€™t look similar
 

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Not familiar with this type but the notches on the examples are more narrow than on your find.
Yep, I was fact checking myself by looking at Logan creeks again, the only thing I noticed was 85% or more had one ear that was slightly longer and with a little droop. Otherwise there seems to be a pretty wide variation in the type when placed side by side I wouldnā€™t consider some examples the same type
 

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Okay Older Iā€™m sharing 2.
The first many have said Dalton but itā€™s made from a thin grainy material probably stained quartzite and water worn. The material is hard to say if itā€™s ground at all. Both sides NW Georgia
 

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Hereā€™s a mystery lance. Iā€™ve heard a few guesses.
Stemmed Lance
Beaver Lake
Archaic Knife
Could be a Copena but havenā€™t heard anyone say for sure.
Ground along the base and slightly along the edges 3/4 the way up on both sides.
Found in the same creek as the Dalton just further upstream and the creek runs 30+ miles long with heavy currents 3-4 times a year. NW Georgia PF
Ohh neither show any bevel.
Thanks for looking
 

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Since I had the book outā€¦ Ohio lanceolate for number 2? It was the closest one I saw in overstreet, but Iā€™m still working outside my geographical area of comfort
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