Something New About the LUE

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If any of you guys are out stomping through the boonies in search of clues to this "map", here's something to keep an eye open for. The eye, on the map, could indicate a hole carved out of a rock formation or created by stacking rocks. The eye is at the summer solstice spot on the star chart and one of the rays of the sun goes to the eye. The hole could be in a spot where you can stand on the west side of the hole and site through it, on the summer solstice, and see the sun come up over the horizon. A lot of people have mentioned hoyos in the treasure signs forums so, if you find a hoyo at a site you're looking at, you can check it out with a sun calculator to see if you can see the sun through it on the summer solstice.

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PatrickD is letting me post a picture he contributed to sandy1's thread in the Treasure Marks/Signs forum. Here is his picture of a rock formation he found in the Sangre de Christos.

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The profile is facing north so the carved out eye shape would be going through the rock from east to west or west to east. If you look close at the eye shaped hole, there seems to be a dark spot at the front of the eye that could suggest that the hole was carved at a slant from southwest to northeast or northeast to southwest. Patrick told me that there were footholds carved on the south side of the rock for easy access.

Here's another picture of a similar formation hundreds of miles away close to the Mississippi River.

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This is at the end of a rock formation that points north, north is to the left. The hole is shaped like an eye but with a flat bottom. On the west side are foot and finger holds carved in the rock for easy access to site through the hole. The hole is carved at a slant and when you site through it from the west side, you are looking to the northeast at the top of a hill about half a mile away. At the summer solstice, you can site through the hole and watch the sun rise over the hill. Behind this place, to the west a hundred feet away, are the last three signs of a cache setup with two large open holes.

So, these are two similar setups that may or may not be related to the LUE map. It could be that the LUE map shows some type of template to be used at related sites. Maybe the eye shaped hole is a signature of some type. Anyway, this is something to look for when out in the field. I'd like to know if anybody else has pictures of similar formations. And, as always, these holes might or might not be LUE related. Use it if you can.
 

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Can one of the Masons define the word "elu" for me and tell me how it fits in with Freemasonry?
 

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Hi. The Universe told me to come tell all ya’ll that, and I listen to The Universe. Caught me another persistent case of the New Mexico License Plates, after a couple years, or so, respite from my first case. Thought I was all done with that. Guess not. Already said Hi to someone else the plates told me to, and now it’s all ya’ll’s turn. See if I can make the plates go away, again. So, Hi.

Pardon the intrusion. I don’t mean to hijack your thread, mdog, but I only have one post worth of stuff to say, am not going to stick around to chat, and you can do with what I say whatever you wish. In the vein of the thread title, Something Old, Something New. Something Borrowed, Something Blue. About the LUE. Wait. That’s about a Lady getting married, not THing. And much to the chagrin of my Mother, I’m still waiting for my Lady in Blue, lol. Some LUE cLUEs 4 U. Maybe new, maybe not:

That’s definitely a new one to me, mdog. All ya’ll grab a cup ‘o joe (I have mine already) and let’s think about all of this Treasure Stuff, like LUE Maps, and such, for a second. Now, these are simply the facts, and they are undeniable facts: All over many of these Treasure Legends, from the KGC, to their adversaries the Illuminati/Templar Masons, to KvM, to the Leadership of both sides during the Civil War, to a large number of the the Historical Characters associated with the Wild West (Buffalo Bill Cody, as an example, but, absolutely not limited to), to Political Leaders of the Wild West Era, to the Earlier Explorers, Etc., well, if you want to hit a Mason amongst that group of people with a stick, all you gotta do is close your eyes, and throw that stick. Can’t help but hit at least one Mason. Throw it hard enough, it will ricochet and hit a few more before it hits the ground, lol. And here, at TNet, there is a disproportionate number of Masons, IMO, relative to their numbers in the general population. And there is more than one multi-generational Masonic Treasure Hunter that posts at this forum - Dad was a Mason and a Treasure Hunter, and Son is a Mason and a Treasure Hunter.

Here is the first thing you need to ask yourself about the OBVIOUS & UNDENIABLE Masonic involvement in a lot of these Treasure Hunting Stories from circa KGC Era up to the 30’s, when guys like Wild Willy the Mason, and Doc Noss (sdcfia has said in a post Noss was a Mason. I don’t doubt it. And I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Jolley was a Mason, too. In fact I would probably be more surprised to find out he wasn’t.) and the guy that murdered Doc Noss was a Mason, and I bet the Judge of the trial where that Mason got away with shooting someone in the back, as Doc was running, not for his gun, but for his Life (Doc knew those guys were armed, no way would he tell armed men “You just stand here. I’m walking out of the house, going to my truck, grabbing my gun, and coming back to shoot you.”, Or would even think about doing that - he would get himself killed trying to get his gun and go back to shoot them. There is a big, big difference between murder and self defense, and Doc was murdered. By a Mason. Over Buried Treasure.), et al, if there was ever a stop to the Masonic Involvement, for it is undeniable in the KGC Era, and pretty tough to argue against all the way through the 30’s. That’s a long, difficult sentence to read with a couple parenthetical interruptions to start this paragraph with that I ain’t fixin’, and I’m just going to move on to the next paragraph and call this one good, lol.

And I am not insinuating anything in particular about Masons today. People can make up their own minds, or defer any decision. Suppose active Masonic Involvement stopped at the KGC Era (not easy to argue against at least up through the 30’s), it is only logical, even with no direct knowledge or involvement in any of it, a Mason in 2017 has a leg up on a non-Mason, because the KGC used ‘Masonic Stuff’ in their Treasure Layouts, because they were Masons. I am not insinuating anything about Rebel, or others here. I like Rebel, TNet’s most unabashed and proud Mason, lol. I think the World would be a better place if more people engaged in the open minded search for Truth as he has appeared to do throughout his Life (keep lookin’, Rebel, you haven’t found it yet, lol). I am simply stating undeniable and impossible to be all (or even mostly) coincidental facts about Masons and Treasure Legends and Treasure Hunters, like KvM, and a whole lot more.

The next Group who’s involvement you need to consider is the Vatican, and especially the Jesuits. And the Knights of Columbus is a Secret Society (and with all of these Secret Societies I’m talking about, well, that ain’t accurate. They are not a Secret. They are not Secret Societies - they are Societies with Secrets …) And Jesuits weren’t the only Priests, either. But, yea, keep yer eyes out for JJ - Jesse Jesuit. And I mean really keep yer eyes out - these guys are the Craftiest of the Lot. And as a group, they are, and always have been, one of the most intelligent groups of people, Cloth or not, in this World. And they are Puppet Masters. Very good ones, including the Puppets having no clue they have been strung up and that their strings are indeed being pulled. Iñaki (Ignacio’s Basque name) was a Military Man, and the Jesses are a Military Order. The head Jesse is called the Superior General, after all, and he is addressed as ‘Father General’. The General of Generals …

Next, is the ‘Spanish’ who weren’t really all that Spanish, according to one PhD of Latin American History, in his dispelling of the 7 Myths of the Conquest:

”The Myth of the King's Army" – the belief that the Spanish conquest was undertaken at the behest of the King of Spain and that the conquistadors were Spanish soldiers. Restall [said PhD of Latin American History] claims that in fact the conquistadors did not necessarily see themselves as Spanish but rather identified as Andalusians, Castilians, Aragonese, Basque, Portuguese, Galician, and even Genoese, Flemish, Greek and Pardo (half-black). Nor were they acting under the command of the Holy Roman Emperor who was also the king of the Spanish realms [don’t limit your thinking to the ‘King/Queen’ of Spain being ethnically Spanish, only ruled Spain, and only ruled from Spain]. And they were not soldiers in a formal military sense of the word but rather a group of feudal lords with their respective footmen, servants, pages and mercenaries. [aka Knights, aka Secret Society Fellas with Weapons and their people they ‘lord’ over, order around, and pay.]

Quite a bit different than the notion you have of those ‘Spanish’ Conquistadors, eh? Me, I’d rather learn Conquistador History from Restall versus from Dobie. Keep in mind, there was an Expulsion going on in 1492, as well. Now, how ‘bout all these not all that ethnically Spanish Conquistadors? Were they members of Secret Societies, too? And if you don’t want to believe me on the following, well, it just makes you wrong, lol - the Nobility and Priesthood of the Aztecs were not ethnically Mexica. Sure, marriage into the Mexica, with those offspring rising through the ranks could have occurred, but, the group of people who set up the whole Aztec Show and were in charge of it were not from the Americas. They came to America, rounded up some folks, and then, ran some other folks outta Teotihuacán (most likely, and not to be confused with Tenochtitlan, and see the very nice Maori lady below for more info on that.).

Then, of course, there is Templar Talk. Include them in the above. And, well, the Templars seemed to have acquired a whole bunch of gold outta nowhere, eh? And anyone that believes the garbage and lies about these members of European Royalty and Aristocracy just up and donating all of their wealth, making themselves Poor Soldiers of Christ of the Temple of Suleiman/Solomon, literally, well, to actually believe such a thing took place is very, very naïve. That ain’t how those sorts of people operate, certainly not en masse. Ever.

And, there appears to be French Involvement at points. Think about what I just said about the Wild West and Masons. Think just anybody from France came rollin’ through? Like what happened with with the wave of immigration of Europeans to the US in the 1800-1900’s, where any poor sap who could scrape up the money for passage could come check in at Ellis Island, get deloused, and get a menial labor job? Or do you think they might be more like the American Wild West Secret Society Members that followed them in the 1800’s, and the not-so-Spanish Secret Society Conquistadors that preceded them?

And there is one more group, founded by a Masonic Treasure Hunter, that needs to be thought about a bit. That Masonic Treasure Hunter was Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was both a Mason and a Treasure Hunter, in New York (?...?), before he was a Mormon. He would use a scrying stone divining for buried treasure:

From about 1819, Smith regularly practiced scrying, a form of divination in which a "seer" looked into a seer stone to receive supernatural knowledge. Smith usually practiced crystal gazing by putting a stone at the bottom of a white stovepipe hat, putting his face over the hat to block the light, then divining information from the stone [this is how it is alleged he translated the Book of Mormon from the golden plates, too. Pictures of the stone alleged to have been used were released a couple of years ago, actually: LDS church releases never-before-seen pics of ?seer stone? used by Joseph Smith | fox13now.com ]. Smith and his father [likely a Mason, too, and Joseph’s brother, Hyrum (good name for a Mason to give his son, lol), was a known, well, Brother, like his brother/Brother Joseph, lol.] achieved "something of a mysterious local reputation in the profession–mysterious because there is no record that they ever found anything despite the readiness of some local residents to pay for their efforts.”

Any Treasure Legend, and I mean any Treasure Legend, before you do anything else, you try to rule out those groups involvement. I don’t care if it is a Treasure Tale about the Lost Mine of Hank Can’t-Find-My-Galdurn-Mine-Anymore-Galdurnit, the Bandit Loot of One Eyed Willy, The Lost Quartz Vein of Gold of Charlie I-Went-Hunting-In-Crappy-Weather-Then-Got-Lost-Sat-On-Gold-And-Can’t-Find-It-Anymore, ‘Spanish’ Gold, etc., starting with ruling out Masons, and then working backwards through those groups looking for their involvement. Because, well, there are too many Treasure Tales for them all to be true. Too many lost mines, too many lost hunters in the rain seeking shelter and finding gold, or one of the other common motifs. C’mon, man. If you add up all of the tons of gold in all of these Treasure Legends of the Southwest and West, well gimme a break that that many people are all going to lose that much money, repeatedly over the centuries in the same geographic locations, and it is all cached in the ground in a bazillion locations throughout the whole area I mentioned - Life and reality doesn’t work like that, lol. One or two knucklehead Hank Galdurnits losing a mine, or one or two lucky hunters in rain or snow finding a gold filled hole for shelter, okay, I’ll buy that. But, how many does each one of those States I reference have regarding those motifs or the other motifs used? Really? And keep an eye out for one Secret Society looking for a previous, older Secret Society’s loot, like the KGC and their alleged Treasure Hunting, or the 30’s, including a potential recovery, relocation, and re-cache (or shipped over seas) of it all …

And if you want to talk about Marble Mountain as I saw you mention, mdog, well, to the best of my knowledge, that story was released in the 30’s and the author of the news article telling us all about that Spanish Cave ‘O Gold was one Mrs./Ms. Alberta Pike. It’s like pigs and lipstick. You can take his Hapsburg/Russian/Byzantine Monarchy Bicephalous Eagle Necklace off and put a dress on Pike, fluff up his luscious long locks, add an ‘a’ to the end of his name, but it is still a very clear indication for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. And, of course, that is ‘Spanish Gold’ with a ‘Spanish Cross’ marking the cave entrance (Huh? What’s a Spanish Cross? That is not the name of that symbol). Keep in mind, back in the 30’s (and up through the 90’s, at least), the vast majority of people would say, “Albert Pike who?”, so they could be so bold with their messages they transmitted in the public domain at that time. Today, many looking into this stuff knows who Albert Pike is, and if a new Treasure Legend entered the public domain today for the first time in such way, everyone would say, “Wait a minute … sumpin’ smells fishy here …” Funny how that works. A story introduced that way today would immediately be declared suspect, yet if it was done so decades ago, people today will lap it up, all these decades later, without a moment’s thought to it all. For they so desperately want there to be gold for them to ‘solve the puzzle’, find, and declare themselves the owner of. Not that I am speaking directly to you, mdog, with all of that, for you seem to have an understanding that the true ‘clues’ with most of this stuff is in the story behind the story. I just hope any lurkers that read this understand such.

So, me personally, I would try to eliminate all of those groups first. And, concerning the LUE Map, I would first try to eliminate the simplest explanation, if you are going to investigate if it is indeed a Map that can indicate geographic locations in that either letters or numbers can be extracted from it (your way is like trying to decipher hieroglyphs versus an alphabetical form of writing. Deciphering hieroglyphics is very, very difficult, in reality. Can be absolutely impossible, depending on the circumstances. The Mayan hieroglyphs, as an example, are anything but fully deciphered, though the lay person’s impression is that they are and the ‘code was cracked’, isn’t it? And the lay person’s impression is that what has been deciphered is infallible, isn’t it?) I would first, as the easiest approach, look for numbers being produced, perhaps in the form of coordinates. And I would start there because of what KvM said about the LUE in ToVoS:

Incidentally, the location of these caves and old mines coincides closely, and perhaps exactly, with the 105°12.5’ longitude for the LUE caches.

That can imply the ability to accurately determine longitude for the LUE map maker and time frames. But, you can’t entirely rule it being done via dead reckoning, I suppose. And as far as what to do with those coordinates, if they are to be gotten and you get them, I would start with the assumption that gets you to the general vicinity. From there, you will need to locate a Treasure Sign and properly interpret it to find the next one. And so on. And I would try to eliminate that, as far as what to do with the LUE Map and what it means, first. And, a Mason is most definitely going to have a leg up on a non-Mason finding and interpreting those Signs in the Field, well, with all of it, actually. And calling it a ‘leg up’ is an understatement of how much of a’ leg up’ a Mason has on all of that compared to a non-Mason …

It has been mentioned in other posts that the curved line along the arrow could represent a star chart.
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I would work that angle more, were I you. A lot more. I’d learn about celestial navigation and using a sextant. And, according to KvM, there is a Key involved. And according to a Mason (in private, trust me, or him, at will. You can trust me, lol, but, well, can you ever 100% trust a member of a Secret Society, for they have openly taken an Oath to not tell you ‘stuff’? What ‘stuff’? Well how can you ever know with 100% certainty what ‘stuff’, mundane or otherwise, for they have sworn not to tell the rest of us. And no offense Fellas. Those are the consequences of participating in such Oaths of Secrecy - only a small minority of the population, your fellow Brothers (me personally, I consider every human on this Planet my Sister and Brother, for the connection our Souls all share - they are all made from the same Stuff from the same Place.), can ever consider trusting you 100%. Nobody else ever can.) there is a Cipher List involved. An Illuminati Cipher (The Illuminati were behind the Bolsheviks). I know of two people who have suggested steganography to be involved, as well. One mentioned the ToVoS epilogue, and one provided me a very marked up copy of the chapter from Hurt’s book with lines all over the place. Whether there is anything to either or both of those, you can ponder …

Hurt (the author of The Scarlet Shadow, a chapter from which KvM added to ToVoS, for any lurkers that may not know.) is an interesting character. An ardent Socialist (it is best to think Bolshevik when I say Socialist for his era.). That whole Colorado Mine Owner/Wobblie stuff is interesting. That book was published in 1907 and relays events starting in 1904, IIRC. Keep in mind the International Politics of the era. I’m talking about Revolutions, like the first failed one in Russia in 1905 and that of the Illuminati backed Bolsheviks a decade later. Revolutions (and Wars and Blitz Kreigs), can be some expensive stuff, and that money has to come from somewhere(s). Which gets into Secret Society Foot Soldiers/Useful Idiots A versus Secret Society Foot Soldiers/Useful Idiots B out in the field kind of stuff to watch out for, complicating matters. I find it interesting the James/Names book mentions 50 Bolsheviks (Illuminati Masonic Templars versus a bunch of guys named Boris with their borscht and vodka, straight off the boat from Russia, Communist Manifesto in hand - and I think I remember reading that in there about the 50 whacked Bolsheviks, IIRC.) getting whacked and dumped in a hole in Utah by the KGC. I’m not suggesting I have ultimate faith in any particular thing in that book, just noting it. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if that indeed did happen, though.

Of course, ToVoS deals with a Cave ‘O Gold on the east side of the Culebra Range (KvM narrowed it down to somewhere in Utah or there initially, he mentions), with the LUE getting only a passing mention by name. So, what gives? Why do people associate ToVoS with the LUE if the only real information is that longitude? There are articles about the LUE longer than the brief mention it gets by name in ToVoS, but ToVoS is talked about more than the more ‘informative’ articles. And, never forget, KvM was a Mason. And he states in that book that he first heard about it in 1954 or 55 (the Cave ‘O Gold). And I want to stress it is unconfirmed and not going to be easy, or even possible to find or verify and am not claiming it as anything other than whiskey talk (but, some whiskey talk is true, just delivered in slurred speech from a guy with whiskey breath and lookin’ at ya cross-eyed, lol) from a source I don’t know anything about as far as the person who claimed it, but I know of a report of a one or two THers triggering a booby trap and burying themselves in the 50’s on the east side of the Culebra Range. And I have always found the geometric patterns on the title page of ToVoS interesting. The one in the bottom right of the page I seem to remember seeing an upside down version of on a map, as a template type thing. I could be totally wrong on that memory, don’t feel like looking if I still have the article buried on my hard drive somewhere, so maybe someone familiar with the older Treasure Hunting Magazine literature can confirm or deny that I saw something similar to that symbol, upside down, transposed on a map in template type fashion in an article about the LUE. It is not a memory I would feel comfortable betting more than $5 on, and I couldn’t tell you if I would lose that $5, or not, lol. But I may be remembering that correctly. I’m thinking I saw a map with lines in an article talking about the LUE. And maybe that is correct, but they look nothing like I am remembering them. And someone familiar with all of the LUE literature, like maybe Randy or PD can confirm that, possibly, if I am remembering something like that or not.

Since I brought up ToVoS, I always like to quote this from it: “The Lost Dutchman Mine is fiction & nothing but fiction.” That always makes me snicker, regardless of whether he is correct or not - it is the fact of how revered he is as *The* Treasure Hunter’s Treasure Hunter saying the LDM is bunk, yet THers don’t want to seem to give him any credit on that, as the LDM is one of the most well known, if not the most well known and sought after Treasures. Just kinda funny, to me. But maybe I have a weird sense of humor, lol.

Culebra is privately owned, going back to the Maxwell Grant. That Grant was issued to Carlos Beaubien, a French-Canadian trapper (my ‘Jesuit Radar’ always gets switched on, looking for their involvement, when I hear about French-Canadian Treasure Hunters in anything, lol) who became a Mexican citizen, and Guadalupe Miranda, who was the secretary to Governor Manuel Armijo in Santa Fe. On January 8, 1841, Beaubien and Miranda petitioned Armijo for a land grant. Three days later, they had it. A French Canadian turned Mexican citizen petitioning for land with Treasure Legends associated with it, eh? And, then, Maxwell, for whom said grant assumed name, is one to be considered. If one is to believe that picture is of him (from that one guy. You know, that one guy who’s name I can’t remember that says there were three Jesse James and has all kinds of pictures on his site. It was a link sdcfia shared at one point, so, whoever that guy is with that one picture, lol), and Billy, and Pat, etc (IIRC), and those lapel pins indicate allegiance to the Knights of the Palm Tree, who are all about Suleiman the Magnificent, aka, King Solomon/Suleiman, and his Solomon’s Temple, aka the Hagia Sophia. Don’t forget about Urraca Mesa in that Land Grant, either. Pretty sure it is within the confines of Grant, but I don’t feel like checking, and maybe not. Bad Things happened, centuries ago, around Urraca Mesa that are still evident and active today. And that was far from the only place such things occurred …

And because I mentioned Urraca Mesa, there is a Urraca Creek on the western flank of Blanca, and Blanca gets a mention in ToVoS. Urraca was the name of a maternal aunt from the House of Castille of Louis IX, whom the San Luis Valley was named after. There is a Mormon cemetery (Alamosa has a significant Mormon population) up that drainage, but there is another cemetery a bit to the north, just south of the Dunes, and on an RV park. There are three graves there. One of them is said to have either the Grandpa or Granddaughter. The story of how there came to be a need for holes in the ground was that a gold strike was made, the lucky prospector headed to Mosca to get some booze to celebrate, asked for ‘good alcohol’ and received ‘wood alcohol’, which, of course, is fatally poisonous. Allegedly, because of how bad whiskey could taste back then, it was not uncommon to drop some candy in there to dissolve and affect the flavor. So the story goes that this lucky-yet-soon-to-be-dead prospector did such. This was apparently the reason a couple guys drank enough wood alcohol to kill themselves, thinking it was whiskey. And then a third grave showed up, too. It was noted (the lady that owns the property told me the story. Her and her husband bought the place in the 80’s IIRC) that they still drank it, despite it tasting like crap, and despite it having a Skull & Bones on the bottle, indicating poison.

Or is that story indicating something else? Maybe those guys died, but not from drinking wood alcohol. Among other groups, the Skull & Bones is associated with the Templars. And Jesuits, incidentally. And keep in mind there are modern day Masonic Templars. Not that I am suggesting a direct lineage to *the Templars*, like the Templars became the Masons and Masons=Templars. I have had to snicker at a Scottish (from Scotland) Mason before (not here) for trying to tell me his Lodge, Mother Lodge Nothing in Kilwinning, was proof of such direct, unbroken lineage to Templars. Lol. I understand that Lodge is quite the tourist spot for Masons worldwide to visit. The Lodge in Central City, the ‘Chivington Lodge’, is loaded with Templar type artwork, IIRC. And, well, Chivington was a Union Mason versus being a Confederate Mason. You know, Chivington, the guy that said, “nits make lice,” in regards to his justification of the murder of Indian Women and Children. Specifically, Brother Chivington had this to say, “Damn any man who sympathizes with Indians! ... I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians. ... Kill and scalp all, big and little; nits make lice.” How the West was really Won, eh? Same Chivington responsible for the Sand Creek Massacre. Chivington was also involved in the Battle of Glorietta Pass. IIRC, in the James/Names book, a picture of Jesse was found in a cabin on Glorietta Pass. Coincidence? Anyway, there seems to be at least some loose association with the LUE and a ‘false grave of valuables’. Not that I am suggesting such would be necessarily directly tied to the map, or the only such ‘deposit’, just that it became associated at some point. And there is a family in Kansas (IIRC, I think one of the guys was an uncle to them) that replaced the headstones not long ago, and the Colorado Historical Society has had some involvement, too. But, again, keep in mind that one of the graves has some ‘issues’ associated with just who may have been buried in it.

And, be careful with Mason’s information, overall, in the Grand Scheme of things concerning that thing called Truth - they don’t know nearly as much about ‘Grand Scheme Things’ as they think, are all turned around backwards on some Sirius Issues, and have been since their inception in the 1700’s, regrettably, a group of Useful Idiots and Foot Soldiers at the bottom of a Pyramid they may not even know exists, knowing not who has been pulling their strings over the centuries, or even that those strings have been pulled. Let me provide a bit of an example. I have it on relatively good authority (straight from a Mason’s mouth to my ears) that the Boy/Eagle Scouts (with their Fleur des Lis) has been used as a ‘selection source’ for invitation into the world of Secret Societies. This would imply a minority of such ‘worthy’ Boys being selected, with the mass of Boy & Eagle Scouts having no clue that they were observed and selected from in such way. Now, go ask a random man that used to be a Scout if he knows anything about this, and he’ll no doubt assure you that no such thing occurs and that the whole notion is ‘crazy talk’. And, by golly, he *knows* no such thing has gone on, for he was at all of the Scout meetings, read all of the Scout books, learned what all of the Scout Badges meant, went on all of the Scout camping trips, etc., and he never heard one word about any of this. And he *knows* such is ‘impossible’ and knows better than me, for he was a Scout, unlike my non-Scout self. I mean, how dare I tell him things about his own Organization, right? How could I possibly know anything about the subject having not been a Scout myself? But, he only believes this because, like the majority of Scouts, he did not make the cut. And was never informed such cut took place. Get it, Brothers?

And I am sure people understand I am not calling any particular Mason an idiot when I call them and their activities with all of this, including KGC, as that of Useful Idiots. I’m taking about the Institution, as a whole, over the course of its existence, being used such way by The Powers That Be. ‘Useful Idiot’ is a known term with a specific meaning, and I don’t know of a more accurate one to use to describe the Mason’s involvement in this stuff over the centuries. A term coined by the Mason (though Masons prefer to deny his membership) Vladimir Lenin, ironically and no less, lol. And all ya’ll can’t deny that Leiba Bronstein, aka Leon Trotsky (guess he thought this sounded more like a good Russian proletariat), was both a Mason and B’nai B’rith, as was Stalin a Mason. And Marx, of course, was a Mason, too. The pics don’t lie, Fellas:

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And, well, don’t forget about these guys and Booth, either:

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Awww, poor things. Their hands must be cold and they can’t find their mittens. You know what they say - cold hands, cold Heart. Just ask Lincoln. Oops, ya can’t cause a Mason and alleged KGCer put a bullet in his brain. Wonder how many deaths Masons are responsible for over the centuries. The first three Masons, Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky are responsible for tens of millions alone. Interesting people All Ya’ll call your Brothers - homicidal and tyrannical maniacs. Guys like Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin, guys responsible for the murder of tens of millions, including women and children, you will call your Brother and share Secrets and Clubhouses with, but you won’t consider me, someone that has so much respect for Life that I don’t eat mammals or birds, so they are not killed and their Blood not spilt, (I keep telling myself fish are just bugs that swim, lol. But, not lol for the fish.), for I don’t need to in 2017 to survive, your Brother, eh? Interesting. I strongly encourage you Masons here to look into the work of Jüri Lina, an Estonian journalist that defected to Sweden when the Masonic/Illuminati U.S.S.R. was still going strong. He’ll tell ya all about it. Just go to YouTube and type, “(Full) In the Shadow of Hermes by Jüri Lina (2009)”. But, maybe all ya’ll know all about the Illuminati’s and Masonry’s involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution already, as well as other Revolutions, like the Bloodbath that was the French Revolution. Brother Robispierre, among others, was outta control with all of that …

A Mason once told me in private that Masonry is against Monarchies. Well, C-sar/Cæsar Nicholas II and his murdered Wife and Children would probably agree with that Mason, but I don’t. Masonry is against certain Monarchies. And, at times, Masons have been against themselves in defense or opposition of certain Monarchies. The Scottish Rite Masonic KGC had no problems helping Maximilian, of the House of Hapsburg-Lorraine, a reconstituted branch of the defunct Hapsburg Monarchy. Allegedly. Just ask Pike. And his devoted followers of the Scottish Rite. Running around waving around the Hapsburg’s Bicephalous Eagle Pike gave them on his Moral’s and Dogma, all while claiming they are against Monarchies as they proudly wave and adorn themselves with said Symbol of the Hapsburg Monarchy (and it is the same Monarchy known as the Russian Monarchy and the Byzantine Monarchy) in their Saint Albert’s Relic Collecting and subtle Apotheosis.

Makes me snicker, Brutha. “By golly, we are against Monarchies. Hey, look at my neat-o Hapsburg Monarchy Bicephalous Eagle that Father, err, Brother Pike gave us. Man, where would we be without our hero, Pike, to lead us astray. We’d be stuck in the York Rite, with the English Crown as our Authority. Nah, not us Scottish Rite Fellas, for we have broken free from the Bondage of Monarchs. Hey, did I show you my neat-o Hapsburg Monarchy/Russian Monarchy/Byzantine Monarchy Bicephalous Eagle that Saint, err, Brother Pike gave us, yet? It is really neat. We have his Relics, too, just like the Elective Monarchy called the Vatican taught us to collect …” And if any Mason wants to tell me that Pike was unaware of who used that Bicephalous Eagle, I ain’t buying it. It is the symbol of the Hapsburgs, the Holy Roman Empire (The First Reich), the Russian Monarchy, and the Byzantine Monarchy, which are all the same Monarchy. Which may not make sense to you, why I say those are all the same Monarchy, if you don’t understand that History as proffered from Academia is very, very wrong. Regardless, the only other folks to use that are Monarchs. And Pike knew it. You Fellas didn’t let Saint Albert pull a fast one on ya, that all ya’ll still haven’t figured out, did you? Symbols, both literal and allegorical, are far, far too important to all ya’ll for Pike to not have chosen that Hapsburg Monarchy Bicephalous Eagle with thought and intention …

PatrickD is letting me post a picture he contributed to sandy1's thread in the Treasure Marks/Signs forum.
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I find his picture of an alleged LUE cache site, where he puzzles over why it has both a marking of the ‘Spanish’ Crown and that of the ‘Templars’ as apparent ‘ownership’ claims, for later extraction, much more interesting. I think I remember him posting a pic showing that and him pointing it out. Don’t forget about the Treaty of Tordesillas, where the Pope divided everything up between the ‘Spanish’ Crown and the Templars (Portugal/Knights of Christ). And, at some point, the Hospitalers, with their Swiss Flag, and from which country you must come from, Switzerland, to be a member of the Swiss Guard, the Pope’s bodyguards. Swiss Guards have been mercenaries in European Courts since the 1500’s, and then in the 19th century, Switzerland barred Swiss mercenaries from doing such, with the one exception being for the elective monarchy of the Vatican (named after the caucasian from the Western Asian Steppes, not Eastern, Batu-Khan (Batu-Khan/Vatu-Khan/Batican/Vatican, all the same, like Priory of Sion/Zion, or Tsar/Tzar/Csar/Czar. Just different spellings for the same thing), his Golden/Ra Horde. Don’t forget about the flexion of ‘v’ and ‘b’ in languages, either, nor source historical documents, where a contemporary of Ghengis describes Ghengis Khan as a Redheaded, green eyes, tall, and bearded). What you need to ask yourself is how everyone knew there were caches to be divided up and found to then place marks of ownership upon, and what caused the ‘original’ owners to lose their claim of ownership. And PD is a Mason, information he let out via a question he asked somebody. Somebody, IIRC, who has participated in this thread. So, I am not ‘outing’ him. He told everyone in public - he just did it in the form of a question - sumpin’ about “Are you a traveling man?” And, of course, this is symbolic of Traveling East, to get more Light. Yea, I’m a Travelin’, Ramblin’ Man, out lookin’ for my Dog named Hiramn, lol. That’s another one, “Have you seen my dog, Hiramn?”, Masons will ask each other to identify themselves. Found my Dog, Brothers, and me and that Dog are going to do some Travelin’ to take care of some Sirius Business …

The number of Masons involved in Treasure Hunting and Treasure Legends is quite disproportionate for their numbers in the general population. And where there is smoke, there is fire. You need to ask yourself what these Masons were doing. What, exactly, were they going to do with that gold? Build really expensive Lodges? Siphon off personal wealth and make themselves Industrial Moguls? Help fund a Revolution, domestic or foreign? And if the KGC didn’t use it for a Revolution in the US, did it get used elsewhere? Some combination thereof ?…?

Rebel:

BTW, did R & I on the "Lue Map" last night; SEVERAL "site" indicated that it was Occult Cryptic for NAZI GOLD... NOT in America. It DOES remind me of the OCCULT stuff, that some NAZI Officers were "into" (Thule Society, Oriental Theosophy, etc); NAZI Knights of the Round Table … "Google" Runic Insignia of the SCHUTZSTAFFEL (SS)
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You mean the SS’ Lightening Bolts of the Storm God/Demon of the Wind, Jupiter? Don’t forget about Jupiter’s Papa and the heavy dose of ‘Saturn Stuff’, Dark/Hidden/Invisible Sun, with the Nazis. The Swastika is indeed an old Sun symbol - the Hidden/Dark Sun, which is Saturn (Who amongst the Nazis knew this and who didn’t would be interesting to know). The ‘Egyptians’ called Saturn, Amen, btw. Anytime you see bent/wavy rays with a Sun symbol, it is the Dark/Hidden/Invisible Sun being referred to. Think about one Group where you see both straight and wavy rays.

The Nazis do crop up in this stuff, don’t they? Reminds me of this ridiculous story about a place called Brook Forest, outside of Evergreen, CO. The story goes that some Nazis were in the area in the 30’s. Mapping the US for Hitler for his war plans. On bicycles. Lol. Hanz and Franz the Nazi Spies, riding around the US on bicycles in their lederhosen with sleeping bags, pup tents, and steins strapped down tight to the bike rack, to map the US for Hitler. And people believe this stuff, lol. Car would be a little quicker and less conspicuous, eh? Or how ‘bout just asking some of the quite loyal to Hitler American Nazi Bund for help. Hell, why not ask some KGC folks, like Henry Ford and plenty of others, helping Hitler. The KGC Nazi connection, versus, of course, the Masonic Templar/Illuminati factions that were aligned with the far, far more murderous Bolsheviks.

And, though it was swept under the rug after WWII, across the strata of society and the political spectrum, all manner of praise and support was issued for Hitler, Mussolini, and the Bolsheviks. Then WWII and the Cold War happened, along with the truth coming out about what was going on in Russia since 1917, and everyone made sure to make everyone forget what everyone was saying pre-1938, as far as the praise and support thrown both the Fascists and the Socialists way. As but one example, Will Rogers, yes that Will Rogers, was quite enamored with Mussolini and had quite complimentary things to say about him after his visits to Italy to meet with him. So I am not singling Ford out in particular, nor the KGC. But, one can see how if there was some KGC/Masonic involvement in helping the Nazis (as opposed to helping the Illuminati Bolsheviks as other Masons did ) fund the Blitz Kreig, well, as one Mason told me concerning some of this stuff, “Let sleeping dogs lie”. Nah. That ain’t the way I roll. The Big Dog is now off of the porch, so I’m waking all the doggies up, whether they like it or not. Cause I’m the Big Dog, and sleeping dogs do what the Big Dog says. Whether they like it or not.

And, well, as far as actual murder totals in the 20th century, the Bolsheviks make everyone else look like amateurs, including the Nazis. What went on in Russia from 1917 forward through Brother Stalin, was tens upon tens of millions of innocent people murdered. Throw in Mao’s Illuminati backed work, and well, the Illuminati Masonic Bolsheviks are one murderous bunch ‘o people, responsible for far, far more oppression, suffering, and deaths in the 20th century than any other group, Nazis included. Far more. This is non-War stuff I’m talking about, simply innocent people being murdered by an internal Political Machine. But, to be associated with Hitler is far more toxic than to be associated with the far more murderous and barbaric Bolsheviks (the Empire State Building was illuminated in red and gold in celebration and honor of the 60th Anniversary of Mao’s Illuminati Backed Revolution and the tens upon tens of millions of innocent people he and his Ilk slaughtered), so, don’t expect that kind of info to be offered up from Masons in the know concerning things going on in the 30’s and if some of that gold was funneled to the Nazis. And General Smedley Butler is always one to consider, as far as potential tie ins to the 30’s Gold Scramble. And I will say Hitler got rid of almost all (but not all) Lodges. Maybe those Lodges had the problem George Washington was warned about, concerning the Illuminati infesting the Lodges of America, after Robison wrote his book, Proofs of a Conspiracy, eh? The Mormons were very supportive of Hitler, as well, prior to WWII. Very supportive. Just as others couldn’t lavish enough praise upon the Bolshevik Bloodbath.

There is some ‘stuff’ going on with the Brook Forest Inn area, though, and I know from personal experience and anecdotes that Germans are associated with the area, independent of Nazis and Treasure:

“Local lore says Nazis frequented the inn in the 1920s and 1930s. Current co-owner Mary Ann Gallagher has heard all of the stories — and seen the swastikas in the building.

“A visitor to the Hiwan Homestead [a county owned Museum in Evergreen.] told Sue Ashbaugh that the inn was used by German spies posing as bicycling tourists who were actually crossing the country making maps of America for Germany. The unidentified visitor told Ashbaugh he knew this because his family used to spend summers in the Brook Forest area. The summer the alleged spies showed up, the visitor said his family moved down closer to Evergreen to get away from it all …

“In one of the closets where the original floor tile still remains, a small reverse swastika lies on the floor buried under boxes. Gallagher said she heard that was the sign of a cult that Hitler belonged to. “I’ve even heard indirectly that Hitler may have owned that property at one time,” [I know this topic - Hitler owning a piece of land in Colorado - has come up on THing forums before, and unrelated to the this area and not well known Treasure Tale] she said. Rumors of lost Nazi gold buried on the grounds prompted former owners to rip up the floor looking for it. It was never found.”

Another take:

“The story goes that the Inn was a meeting place for the Nazi's during World War II. Legend has it that a large sum of gold was buried in the walls of a series of tunnels that catacomb the Inn. It is known that in the 1930s, the Inn was used by German spies posing as bicycling tourists who were actually touring the country to make maps of the area for the German war effort. [On bicycles?!? Lol]

While under restoration, the new owners found small swastikas engraved on the floor of one of the closets. Rumor has it that Hitler himself may have indirectly owned the property at one time.”

“Prior to World War II, the Inn was a meeting place for the Nazi Bund. Stories have been told of how the dining room carpet covered a large swastika painted on the floor. Rumor also had it that large sum of Bund gold was buried in or near the Inn at the outbreak of the war. Tales of murder involving Bund members and of a secret burial in the Inn have also been told.”

This is the owner of the Brook Forest Inn (the one that turned it into what it is). He was Swiss, I think:

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Kidnapped, eh? I honestly don’t know what the story is all about. Just found it interesting and perhaps something for someone to follow up on, if so inclined. Pretty sure a big Reynolds Gang story came out in the papers in ’47, too, including mention of a guy coming up from Texas looking for it. Years ago, I am sure I followed this catalogue entry, but can’t remember the association between Brook Forest and the Reynolds Gang, as their ‘big stash’ was supposed to be on a different flank of Evans than the east. But, if you live in Colorado and read this, well, you know where the DPL is if you want to find out, lol. Maybe it is nothing …

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All kinds of talk about maps and lines in this thread, so here are some more lines on a map. Why they are there, well who knows …:

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Troutdale was a hotel resort on Bear Creek, where both Roosevelts vacationed. It was abandoned for decades, torn down no too long a go, and replaced with a few really expensive houses. That road, Upper Bear Creek Road, was where Willie Nelson’s house that the IRS confiscated, is, as a trivial tidbit, lol. There is also a typical KGC type Treasure Tale on that map, separate from the other stuff. One of those lucky rabbit hunters that got lost in a snowstorm and sat down on a pink quartz vein loaded with gold. Easiest way to find Treasure, eh? Wait for some crappy weather, then go hunting. If you still can’t find shelter loaded with loot or sit down on a vein of gold, try getting lost. That seems to help with finding gold, lol. That you, of course, can’t find again. But, you make sure to tell a newspaper reporter all about it to ’spread the word’ to those ‘in the know’. And, well, since Mt Evans is on that map, and I mentioned sextants, well how ‘bout that ‘Reynolds Kid’ that came up from Texas with a map and a sextant, eh? Ya know, the Reynolds Gang, brothers (and Brothers) who were from the Texas 3rd Calvary, IIRC, and were arrested at Mace’s Hole (now known as Beulah, CO) with other Confederates. Why there is nobody talking about the KGC Reynolds Gang with things like Wild Willie and a Reynolds kid from Texas with a map (a LUE Map, or ?…?) and a sextant in the Land of Enchantment is beyond me. The Reynold’s Gang is the most well known Colorado Treasure Legend. I guess the Fairy Tales of buried ‘Spanish’ Gold and Lost Mines of Pegleg Jones are more appealing and comfortable to believe. Keep in mind, the Reynolds were active in New Mexico, as well as places like around the Spanish Peaks. They are recorded as making both a ‘deposit’ and a later ‘withdrawal’ around the Spanish Peaks, IIRC.

Hitndahed:

I saw the phrase "as above so below" a few posts back,,, THINK on this statement,,,,,,hint,,,look at Egypt, Mayan sites and others. The majority of them (sacred or ritual sites) are laid out to several "sky maps".
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That’s because they were made by the same people (people stemming from the same Culture). Before the events we are told happened in 1492, when the Templars/Knights of Christ (who all got consolidated into one man - The Christ Soul Bearing Goddess Columbia, aka Christopher Columbus. It is far more accurate to say “The Knights of Christ/Templars sailed to the, umm, Indies in 1492.” Than to say a single guy named CC did it. It was the act of a Secret Society, not a single individual. And they knew exactly where they were sailing, and it is the Hindu people who should be saying, “Hey, what did all ya’ll start calling me an Indian for all of the sudden? Indians are over there on Turtle Island.” The word India means a ‘far away place’, and the names you see on maps today only got fixed in place after the advent of the printing press and only within the last few centuries, and after the Historical Chronology began to be Falsified and elongated by thousands of years. And of course, the ‘switcheroo’ was performed sometime later than ‘Columbus’, claiming Columbus was clueless and didn’t know where he was sailing or where he landed. India (the Americas) was known about before ‘Columbus’ set sail. And that is why American Indians have always been called Indians from the moment ‘Columbus’ landed, cause that is what they were called by those that knew of Turtle Island prior to 1492. And keep in mind, concerning events prior to about 1650 AD, Historians are so turned around, so much evidence in the form of Lies on Parchment were handed out and planted, that was 1492 that exact year? 100 years sooner? Who knows, at this point. Maybe that year is accurate, though, for whom History calls Christopher Columbus. It’s a big mess to get sorted out.

Keep in mind, and this is important, all you have to ‘prove’ the ‘accepted’ version of events of who did what over here (or anywhere) and when are pieces of paper handed to you be The Powers That Be. That’s it. Some allegedlies written down on paper by The Powers That Be from Europe at the time. It is a but a handful of people and a handful of pieces of paper to whom we ‘owe thanks’ for providing us with a version of events of what happened over here prior and post 1492. A bunch of ‘allegedlies’. And, the reality is, Historians having nothing but circular argumentation, hearsay, circumstantial evidence, and some pieces of paper The Powers That Be handed them telling them what happened - “Here, Historian. We got History going for you. This is what has been going on for the last few thousand years. It’s all true. Don’t worry, trust Us.” That is it. Independent verification does not exist, and C-14 I’ll sum up as Interpretive Tea Leaf Reading based upon a system calibrated to a Falsified Chronology, that isn’t really good for things in the 0-2000 year old range for it can produce errors that large, where the Archy hands the sample to the lab, and it goes like this:

Archy: “Hey C-14 Lab. How old is this thingamajig?”

C-14 Lab: “Umm … how old do you think it is?”

Archy: “Well, I found it laying next to a piece of pottery with this kind of line and pigment, so we just *know* it is in blah, blah, blah date range.”

C-14 Lab after testing: “Guess what? We think it is a date in that date range you gave us too. Wow. We’re all really smart and doing real serious and unbiased, non-confirmation biased, sceincy type stuff here, aren’t we? We’re awesome, and how dare anyone question us.”

There are no pre-Columbian Aztec Codices - they were all made after the Conquest at the behest of the Conquerors. Don’t believe me, ask the University of Arizona: “No original Aztec manuscript has survived that does not show European influence.” Even the Codices are products of the same people. Yet, these are implicitly trusted. Are you kidding me? You should probably raise an eyebrow when it is one group giving you both sides of the story, and that Group is telling you what went on in the centuries prior to their ‘Discovering’ the Americas for us, though they claim to have known nothing about it.

This Maori lady in the video below who has white, Redheaded, green eyed ancestors that went from Persia/Egypt across the Atlantic to the Americas, then to Easter Island, then to New Zealand (and other places, like Guam) can educate all ya’ll about some of this stuff. And don’t forget Cahokia and the ‘Spiritual Change’ it went through where all the effigies to the Female ‘Corn’ Goddess were smashed and replaced with the Male Thunderbird/Falcon - the Storm God. Jupiter. With, of course, the Cahokians using Horus’ Falcon (Thunderbird). And Cherokee Oral Traditions stating that the people who built those were people that just showed up one day. Ever use that Culebra Mound in Ohio for your line drawing, mdog, or that Medicine Wheel in northern Wyoming. Maybe even Mexico City? And don’t forget to ask yourself why there are reports noting that during the Inquisition, everyone with red hair was considered Jewish (why?), as well as reports that the not-so-ancient ‘Egyptian’ Mantheo claimed that the Redheaded followers of Set were rounded up and burned as a sacrifice to Osiris. Redheads like Ramses II, Tut’s G-ma, and plenty of others. And where, exactly, are all of these Redhead ethnic Egyptians coming from, and why does Tut’s DNA show him to be related to half of all European men and up to 70% of British men, according to one lab? They also claim his lineage traces to the Black Sea area. The area, the Western Asian Steppes, from which the Scythian Empire arose.

Egypt was nothing more than a Royal Graveyard, Religious Epicenter, and Grain Supplier of an Empire that covered vast distances (from western Europe to eastern Asia. And the Americas), and who’s Capital City basically vacillated between Constantinople and Kiev. And, of course, the Rulers of the Empire are going to have their Lives and accolades documented in stone in the very important Royal Graveyard, aka Egypt, even though they did not live or rule from there, geographically, and elsewhere throughout the Empire, in cultural fashion suitable to said location and inhabitants (subjects).

And I wonder where all of those ‘Snakes’, those Feathered Serpent devotees (probably FS, versus the legged Dragon or Wyrm devotees), St. Patrick chased off the Emerald Isle and into the Sea sailed to. And why, in the 1600’s it is said that all of the Redheads on Easter Island were rounded up and burned (one or two got away, and an occasional Redhead is still born amongst the Rapa Nui, who then has to deal with getting the crap kicked out of them their whole Life for no other reason than being a Redhead). You know, Easter Island with those Moai with the Red ‘hats’ in the form of the same Redheaded elongated skulls found in Peru among the Paracas Culture.

And most cultures down there, like the Moche, were some very, very bloodthirsty Priest Kings. And, like with the other pyramid cultures here, there is this alleged pulling-of-massive-amounts-of-technology-out-of rear-ends in no time flat. The Aztecs, as example, are alleged to have developed technology and a societal infrastructure, including their Religion, to such an advanced degree, what would take a culture centuries to do, in a matter of decades (because all of the technology was IMPORTED). The Moche were some creepy folks. And, again, the Hierarchy and Nobility of those cultures were NOT Indians - The Indians were simply conquered and basically enslaved. In North America, Central America, and South America. And there was a reported not-enslaving, not-Bloodthirsty, pretty Cool Cat type guy that came around, too, aka Quetzlcoatl, et al. The Moche Lord of Sipan was a couple inches taller than the other Moche people, was buried with things like a gold mask with blue eyes, etc. Further, DNA tests showed he had RH- Blood, which can raise questions for distribution of such Blood type. Of course, on the English language Wikipedia, you’ll find no mention of the RH- Blood, but you will on the Spanish, Russian, and Ukrainian Wikipedia pages. If it doesn’t conform with the Official story, just don’t talk about it, eh? There are a whole bunch ‘o things like that that are not talked about, and simply ignored. And don’t forget some linguists state the languages of the Diné people, the Basque people, and Georgia (of the Caucasus Mountain variety) are related. But, that doesn’t fit with the Official Story, as it implies pre-Columbian contact, nor what we are told about ‘ancient’ History, so better to just call the Basque language some mysterious language of unknown origins, lol. And that sort of thing is all over the place; things that show the Global Historical Chronology to indeed be Falsified in no small way that are simply ignored when discovered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_language#Den.C3.A9.E2.80.93Caucasian_hypothesis

And it was the Priests of Amen, whom Ahkenaten went after, responsible for getting it all going (Moche Pyramids and Culture, etc.). And well, one needs to look no further for the man that buried himself in a mountain with a bunch green rocks and a sarcophagus with ‘writings of wisdom’ all over it, Christian Rosencrutz/Hermes Trismegistus/Etc., than the Mayan King Pakal. And if you want to believe otherwise, Rebel, well, it just makes you wrong, lol.

Ya gonna call this nice Maori lady a liar? Careful, she did have her DNA tested. I believe her, as far as the overall take, though some details have been lost from her Traditions, and this is obviously complicated as there very potentially have been more than one occurrence of this since it first started - people setting up shop, someone coming to shut them down, then periods of being left alone, then people coming back, then people getting shut down again. Take everything you think you know about History prior to about 1650 AD, globally, and throw it in the trash and start over. And that is just to get the Exoteric History sorted out, not the Esoteric/Conspiratorial (read: the real Truth of everything) version of History. I copied the link at 12:04, where her story is introduced, and the lady I reference comes in at about 15:00. The lady who did the documentary, Gabi Plumm, has a couple other documentaries concerning the whole Polynesian Peopling, including places in North America, like up by Alaska, worth watching:

https://youtu.be/2z6PlYiQSTs?t=12m4s

And, yes, Hitindahed, everything that Redhead Green Eyed Maori Lady just told you has everything to do with what has been going on in the Americas for the last 900 years. At least, and very potentially even further back. But, at least that far. And all of that, is tied into everything from Cahokia to Chaco to Mesa Verde to Tenochtitlan, etc., which eventually ties into things like the LUE. Hitindahed, eh? You and me both. A lot. And hit all over, not just my head, lol. Mostly my own doing, doing fun/stupid Colorado High Country stuff, crashing into cars on motorcycles, etc. About got knocked out cold in the Arkansas in a rapid one day, smashing my head on a rock on the Riverbed while I was getting chundered, and well, all ya’ll were really, really close to never getting to read my Wisdom, lol, cause being unconscious in a whitewater rapid is a one way ticket to dying. Left Blood in the Water that day. There are Stars Underwater, I assure all ya’ll of that, cause I done seen a whole bunch ‘o them one day, and it was almost the last thing I ever saw …

Randy:

That said, reading between the lines, I always got the impression the Nazi link was merely a *******ization of the 17 tons of gold story that came out of the 4 Corners region.
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Ever consider that that is what most of these are? That there were one or two legitimate Treasures, from which everything else has spawned? And that much of the subsequent Treasure Legends (e.g. KGC) are dealing with the same Treasure, including perhaps just taking control and relocating it? I mean, we have Templar Treasures, then Aztec Treasures, then Spanish Treasures, then Vatican Treasures, then KGC Treasures, then the 1930’s Treasures, then all of the Lost Mine/Bandit Loot, etc. My word - precisely how much gold has been found, mined, and lost in the Southwest, century after century? You really think, if you added up all of the Treasure Tales from the Southwest, that that claimed amount of gold has been ‘lost’ or ‘cached’ and left alone? And the business to be in back then wasn’t selling shovels to the miners, it was offering Search and Rescue to them in exchange of gold, for they all had all kinds of gold, but kept getting lost, lol. How many stories can you find about a hunter in bad weather getting lost, seeking shelter, and stumbling upon gold? Or one of the other motifs used? Think they are all legit and relating truthful events?

There are pretty much two sources for all of this stuff - the original of about 850 years ago that everyone thinks was 2,000 or alternatively 3,500 years ago, “Uh-oh. Here comes Ahkenaten/Andronikos Komnenos/Julius Cæsar/Etc. and he doesn’t look real happy. In fact, he just killed his own brother, the Priest of Amen with a rock to the skull, because he is putting a stop to the Blood and Burnt Offering stuff we are doing (including using humans for such, the Sheeple of the Flock). Quick! Stash the gold and stash those Idols with their ‘attachments’ - we need those in the future!” And then the second source, which actually began not too long after, the Aztecs, and included their mining operations up here and their own stashing of things like the Idols they took off of the Temple Mayor to hide from who is known as Cortés (but was actually a Russian Cossak named Vasiliy "Yermak" Timofeyevich Alenin, and for whom America (Yermak) was named). And, of course, multiple Secret Societies have been involved ever since. Useful Idiot Foot Soldiers, I like to call ‘em.

Is there some lost mine or cache from Hank Galdurnit the prospector? Sure. I’ll accept that. Maybe one or two, in the whole of the Southwest. Unfound veins left? Sure. Is there other buried gold, in the form of money? I’ll accept that, as well, but mostly in the form of a post-hole bank type stuff, or a legitimate criminal (versus a Jesse James type criminal, who was a Mason, KGC, and WORKING for others. Taking orders, not giving them) stashing money from a robbery. Sure. I’ll accept that. But, most of these legends are all tied, mostly, to the Aztec Stuff and the Secret Societies playing around with them in the last few centuries. Like the LUE. The LUE goes back a ways. And there are some things involved from prior to the Aztecs, as well. That doesn’t mean the LUE Map or current cache locations necessarily go back 500, or more, years (though PD has written an article claiming to have identified elements of ‘Spanish’ map making from the 1500’s, IIRC), just where it all started.

Karl von Mueller, AKA Charles Dean Miller, was a pen name...the similarities to the two names should be self-evident.
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Karl von Müller (June 16, 1873 — March 11, 1923, and remember that ‘ue’ = ‘ü’) was captain of a famous German commerce raider, the light cruiser SMS Emden during the First World War (the James/Names book alleges the KGC went defunct just prior to WWI, and what do you want to bet that KvM didn’t need Hillbilly Brewer or the James/Names book to educate him as to the existence of the KGC?). He made his name by raiding English Commerce ships, just like Charles made his name by raiding City of London (Templar/Illuminati) commerce ships, err, caches. And KvM did not like Socialists, Fabian or otherwise. Said so himself. Coincidence ?…?

sdcfia:

In essence, instead of leading to gold, these mysteries might instead lead to other secrets - an initiation of sorts. ¿Quien sabe?
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I am curious as to why in order to ‘disguise’ the true meaning, such groups would wrap it up in a package *guaranteed* to attract as many ‘unworthy of their Clubs’ people as possible - free gold. Can you think of a faster way to invite a bunch of people to get in your way, ‘snoop’ on what you are doing, and mess up your fun (like destroy your Treasure Signs for your ‘Initiation’ so nobody else can find them in order to protect ‘their’ gold trail, shoot at you with guns to protect ‘their’ gold, etc.)? Unless, in the Pot ‘O Gold is a card that says, “Congratulations! You figured out a Masonic Puzzle. If you are not already a Brother, please take this card to your nearest Lodge to be initiated, post haste, for your figuring out our Mysteries on your own.” And, well, I am not looking for gold with all of this stuff, anyway. But I don’t know if that was exactly what you were hinting at - some kind of initiation test or ‘Masonic Game’.

As far as that sign with the M and Eye, those could all be a 19th-20th century creation, but I haven’t ruled out their being older than that, by several centuries, left by whom History records as the ‘Egyptian Priests of Amen’. That ‘M’ could be the easiest way to transcribe a specific shape on a hard rock in the middle of nowhere I know of associated with the Priests of Amen. Same Priests of Amen who controlled about 90% of ‘not-so-ancient Egypt’s’ shipping fleet circa the Armana Heresy. And, of course, with said exploratory and colonizing shipping fleet comes the need for the Thugs keeping guard and Knights/Warrior Class (Templars) and the navigators with Hiram Abifiratti the Venetian, err, Phoenician. And, again, that Heresy to unseat the Priests of Amen on a global scale, the failed Spiritual, Cultural, and Political Revolution called the Amarna Heresy, took place about 850 years ago, not thousands of years ago.

Funny thing about the alleged creators of our alphabet, the Phoenicians - they didn’t leave us any writing. Any evidence of their work. Creating an alphabet is more difficult to do versus a system of Hieroglyphs. Easier to use and decipher than hieroglyphics, but takes much more work, effort, practice, etc., to create. Yet, there are no remnants of all that work. Well, there are about 10,000 ‘Phoenician’ inscriptions around the Mediterranean, but, they are all associated with Religious Sites, Rog’s Temples of Tanit, and about 99% (that number according to a scholar, not me) of them all say the exact same thing - a religious epitaph. That is all we have for the written words of the alleged creators of our Alphabet - a religious epitaph found in multiple locations throughout the Mediterranean. Funny thing about the Venetians, err, Phoenicians and Polaris, too. In fact, at least one of those not-ancient authors called Polaris the ‘Phoenician Star’ for their use of it. Problem is, Polaris was NOT the Pole Star (obviously the star used for navigating the Seas) when the Phoenicians were alleged to have lived. Polaris did not assume the position of being the Pole Star until about 500 AD, 1,000 years after the Phoenicians allegedly up and disappeared in a Puff ‘O Jesuit Smoke and Lies. How does that work, lol? I’ll tell ya how it works - there was no such Phoenician civilization that existed (and then just disappeared into thin air) when and where alleged. All of those ‘Historical Tales’ about Phoenicians are about Venetians. And not thousands of years ago.

Remember, the Renaissance is not a real thing. It is like most of these Treasure Tales - it is a motif used to disguise the dumping of large amounts of Disinformation in the Public Domain. You know, that ‘enlightenment’ that got started in Italy - Home of Genoese, Florentines, Venetians, the Vatican, Guelphs and Ghibellines, etc. Real trustworthy group of characters that got that ‘enlightenment’ thing going for us, where they all started saying, “Hey, look at these neat-o ‘ancient’ texts that just appeared out of nowhere, after being lost for 1,000 years. Well, they are copies, not originals, made by us 500 years ago, then we lost them. But, lucky you, we found them again. Here ya go, here’s the History of the World for all ya’ll Profane. It’s all true. Promise …”

Those that read this that may be unfamiliar with all of that, should refer themselves to the 4 decades of work on the subject from quite literally one of the most intelligent people alive and head of the Department of Differential Geometry and Applied Mechanics at Moscow University, Dr. Anatoly Fomenko, as well as a team of other really smart Mathematicians working with him. Thousands, upon thousands of pages he has written regarding his SCIENTIFIC work on the Falsified Historical Chronology. And it is an enormous amount of material to digest before one can claim to have formed an informed opinion on the matter either way. You can join Kindle Unlimited ($9.99/month, and I was able to get 30 days for a free trial, so you can use it without being charged for 30 days then cancel, if they still offer that) and read multiple other books of his recently put into English and available there that will help one digest it all and see how it is possible that History is oh so very wrong as proffered from Academia. And a good chunk of his stuff is available in English on his website for free.

Nothing is as old as you think, we have no written records more than about 1,000 years old, and everything you see, from Greek Ruins to Roman Ruins to Egyptian Ruins to stuff in China, Sumeria, etc. and et al, were the product of one Empire that reached global status. And then, the Reformation happened. And in the 1600’s onward, the Jesuits began to rewrite History. And none of you know what you are talking about concerning things ‘ancient’, for all ya’ll are just parroting what Academic Historians, a branch of study not more than a few hundred years old, tells ya. And they are just parroting, without ever having questioned it, what The Powers That Be started telling them a few hundred years ago. Squawk, lol. But not really lol, for it is not funny - it is a very, very serious issue. And for you Brothers reading, well, none of all ya’ll Fellas know about the Falsified Chronology (or maybe you do, but ain’t talkin’, lol), which makes you a very, very handy Useful Idiot to The Powers That Be. Keep in mind being a Useful Idiot is exactly like being indoctrinated - step1: said Useful Idiots and indoctrinated are oblivious to their state, and will vehemently deny it, proclaim it impossible, and not give it a moment’s open minded consideration, a predictable by-product of Human Nature:

NEW CHRONOLOGY. A.Fomenko, G.Nosovsky

Be all that as it may, if there is hidden treasure associated with the current LUE map, we don't know where it came from, where it is now, who hid it or who controls it.
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All very good things to think about, but you forgot, “we don’t know what it even is.” ‘We’? You gotta mouse in yer pocket? ‘Current’? Are you aware of an ‘older’ or ‘no longer applicable’ version, or was that not your intention with the use of that word (I would guess that was just a word choice thing not meaning what it could, and not what you were implying, but, since you chose that word and it implies a non-current version, might as well ask, eh)? I know what it is. Well, for whatever else may be involved, either directly or, well, Red Herringly, lol. I know where it came from, for whatever may have been added, subtracted, melted down, etc., to it over the centuries, as it has been played around with. In the end, after the gold is got and historical evidence destroyed, this is about Furniture and Idols, sdcfia. Very specific Furniture that was in previous Temple use. And it must be *that* Furniture to rebuild the Temple. For that Furniture has some very specific, umm, ‘Attachments’ gained through Ritualistic offerings of Life, Blood, and Burnt Flesh, shall I say.

Any Catholic Exorcist can assure you that in addition to people, places and things are subject to such Demonic Infestation. Yes, a ‘thing’ or a ‘place’ can become possessed (I’m using that term loosely, and there are degrees with it all - oppression, possession (the worst), etc.). Think about that when you hear things about ‘cursed treasure’ and whether that is actually something ya wanna put your hands on and declare, “Mine! Mine! All Mine!” And I cannot go further here on that subject, but I must clearly delineate myself from the Exorcism Rituals of the Roman Church, for they ‘prove’ no such thing as an Exorcist will say they do. And I will say that though consumers of the same Kool-Aid as everyone else concerning what is going on with all of that, Exorcists are composed of some very Good Hearted people trying to help people, and the job of an Exorcist is not an easy one, can be dangerous, physically and Spiritually, and it is a very demanding ‘occupation’ that can take its Toll on an Exorcist. And they endure that in an effort to try to help people that need help. So I am not in anyway trying to insult them with that delineation I must draw between myself and the Roman Church and their Rituals of Exorcism and point out we are on quite different sides concerning that line of delineation.

When you come across that sort of Præternatural Stuff in the field, you call it Little Green Men from the Planet Zorkon, which, of course, is a mountain of disinfo. Little Green Men from Zorkon are NOT flying around our atmosphere in spaceships. No such thing exists as Little Green Men visitors from the Planet Zorkon in their high tech Spaceships, anal probes in hand, and fingers on the Star Trek, “Beam me up, Scotty,” buttons. The observed Præternatural Phenomena is caused by something else. Something far more frightening. But, you have been indoctrinated, since Roswell, and with Hollywood’s help, to come to the conclusions about that stuff that They want you to come to, which is not the Truth. Indeed, sdcfia, as you were warned decades ago, Everything You Believe Is A Lie. And I mean pretty much Everything. To suggest that a Military Press Officer would release an official statement to the American Media right after WWII and right at the start of the Cold War, for all of that Nazis still crawling around and the Russkies to know, that they recovered a ‘flying disc’ is so absurdly laughable, I don’t know how to describe it. That would be called Treason and violation of National Security to divulge such information to the American Press, for that would be Top Secret of Top Secret stuff, and Farmer John would’ve been told that prison awaited him if he said one word for violating National Security. If that happened in 1947 (Little Green Men crashed their Flying Saucer in the Land of Enchantment), the Military would NOT, and certainly not within days, be telling the American Media about such Top Secret of Top Secret stuff. Yet they did, didn’t they? That is how disinfo is planted into the public domain. And those ‘rides in a spaceship’ that Rog, Willie, and one other person I know of (in the San Luis Valley) went on were not actual rides, but more of a Demonic Trip induced by a Demonic sheet of acid. And these trips, like with Harvey apparently walking underground for three days (how did his flashlight batteries last that long?), can most definitely result in geographical and time displacements …

There was Furniture & Idols with ‘Attachments’ hidden, sdcfia. And, sure, there is gold stuff involved as well, including the ‘Aztec Mining Operations’ going on far to the north of Mexico City, and all of the centuries of Secret Societies playing with it, taking it, relocating it, etc., after that. But, certainly to me, this has always been about that Furniture. ¿Consíguelo?

You know a couple stories about Idols, and Stuff, like Temple Furniture, being hidden when someone came a callin’. One story is from the Amarna Heresay, which took place about 850 years ago, not thousands, and one is from the Aztecs. You know, were the nonchalance ignorance concerning the Spiritual Aspects of the Aztecs from Academia, were it not so frightening, would be amusing. All of those Intellectual Elites assuming that all that stuff the not-Mexica Aztec Nobility and Priesthood (whom Cortés came in and killed, then left, then came back and conquered the remaining Mexica people who were basically enslaved by said not-Mexica Nobility and Priest Class - trust the time frame (time between first visit to kill the Nobles and take some gold to second and final visit where they were officially conquered. I dunno, but have pondered the question.) given to you by the Vatican for that?) were doing was meaningless. It is just the ‘uncivilized and uneducated mind’ (in contrast to their oh so superior minds) making up Fairy Tales to answer questions they are too stupid/too uncivilized to figure out. Of course the Sun would still rise were not the sacrifices taking place, so the Aztecs were just stupid people killing people in acts of meaningless Ritualistic Blood Magic, thinking that they were having some kind of ‘effect’ upon something, but they were really just stupid thinking they could have any sort of effect upon anything in this World whatsoever with their Spiritually Evil actions. Oh, were that true. But it ain’t. And the World is a far, far more frightening place, Spiritually, in 2017 than all ya’ll know …

Again, the PhDs, concerning History in general, are in a laughable state of ‘not knowing what they are talking about’. Well, laughable were it not so dangerous to be so blissfully ignorant. Additionally, what Academics refuse to consider is the Esoteric version of things. They focus strictly on the Exoteric versions. That every event in History is just all one big accident, and such things as Conspiracies are ridiculous to consider. What is ridiculous, is not understanding that for what it means to have surreptitious control of the World, well, one should start the investigative process actively looking for such Conspiracies, for the Prize is far, far too intoxicating and comes with far, far too much Power, Control, and Wealth for at least a few Groups to try to achieve such. One is either a Conspiracy Theorist (Realist, lol), or an Accidental Theorist (Naïveist, lol). If you trust the Codices put together by Vatican Agents, well, you should probably ask, if like I know you see in our Society and certain texts that seem to have elements of Theosophy (no, I am not a Theosophist, but you understand the point I am making regarding the Exoteric versus Esoteric meanings of a text), if there was an Esoteric Version (versus the Exoteric version given to us and the Mexica people at the time) of that Aztec Mythology that both Historians and the Mexica people are/were unaware of, but the Aztec Priesthood and Nobles were very much aware of …

Let me share an anecdotal story with you sdcfia. I assure you it is entirely true. It is a story I heard my Mother tell many times growing up, for it was just one of those things about me that she will never forget. And for whatever reason, telling it always puts a smile on her face. Still. When I was 2.5 years old, having dinner one evening, my parents got on me a little bit, as I was making a mess with my food. I then got very angry. They knew this for I turned blue. As a child, when I got really mad, I would hold my breath until I turned blue. Freaked the Dr. out when I was born, lol. I began breathing, took breath, and then held it and turned blue, and he couldn’t get me to breathe again. Because I didn’t want to. Because, well, I wanted to make sure everyone around knew that I was born very, very Justifiably & Righteously Angry for the ‘Wringer of Hell’ my Soul has been through in the past. Anyway, back to the dinner table 42+ years ago, my Mom, knowing I was very angry about something far more Sirius than her telling me to stop making a mess with my food, asked me what was wrong. I told her, once I decided to start breathing again, lol, “I’m going to go to Lutah.” She always pointed out when she told the story that I said “Lutah,” not Utah, ya know, LUEtah. And she asked me, “What are you going to do in LUEtah?” My verbatim response was (I was an early talker, and was doing pretty good by 2.5), “I’m going to break up all of the Furniture.” True story. I gotta story about my maternal Grandparents getting me through the Golden Gate just fine and dandy when I was about 5, too. Too bad, Sulieman, lol.

Some of this ‘stuff’ seems to run in Families, eh sdcfia? Like my Scythian ancestors turned Scythia/Scotia/Scottish Nobility and Luxembuorgian Horse Thieves of Templars (both sides of my Family), from which my Scythian Shamanic Blood comes. And if you don’t want to believe me or Dr. Fomenko, well, Double Dr. actually (Physics and Mathematics, and he got his Math PhD at 26, which is a young age for a Russian Math PhD, for they don’t hand those things out in Russia as easily as they do here.) about where the Scottish Nobility and all of that red hair of the British Isles actually came from, my ancestors will tell you themselves in the Declaration of Arbroath of 1320:

… the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown. They journeyed from Greater Scythia [see, I told ya, lol.] by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea [Mediterranean] and the Pillars of Hercules [Straight of Gibraltar], and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes [and left RH- Blood], but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous [that’s because you haven’t met the Anglo-Saxons, the Saxson Anglos, the Isaac Son Anglos, the Sons of Isaac Angelos, for whom Angeland/England is named. And then, the Templars moved into London, the City of London, specifically (Friday the 13th, 1307 in France, is way overblown. Well, sucked to be DeMolay and a few others, but most arrested were released, and England gave the Templars safe harbor.) And then, circa Isaac Newton, the Phoenicians, err, Venetians moved into England, according to Dr. Webster Tarpley, who speaks fluent Italian and has spent time in the Venetian Archives.]

Wanna know what I know? I know what the LUE is really about, after all of the gold, and I know there will be no more Temples of Burnt Offerings and Blood Sacrifice, such as those of the Aztec’s Temple Mayor with its Huitzilopochtli and Tlaloc Idols, and elsewhere, aka Temples of Amen, or the ‘compromises/damage control’ formed after the Amarna Heresy failed and it was time for the damage control coverup of Roman/Ra-Amen/Sol-Amen/Solomon with a dose of Pazuzu/Juptier/Zeus/Horus later thrown in by the Secret Society of Pazuzu. And I know that cause there ain’t gonna be no mo’ Furniture when this Scythian Shaman gets done with it. I’m going to break it all up to whence it came. Lol …

Happy belated Dog Star Day.

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Can one of the Masons define the word "elu" for me and tell me how it fits in with Freemasonry?
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I am not a Mason , but I can lead you to a link about how Masons used words as numbers in regards to codified a map or ... whatever they wanted .

" The key to the alphanumeric code is not much of a mystery either. It was published in 2004 in the book 'The Knights Templar in the New World' by William F.Mann. The book revealed the code key was seized from a lawyer named Zwack in 1786 during a political raid in England of a secret society called 'The Illuminated Ones'. The society's emblematic colours were Red and White, which as any alchemist knows are the symbolic colours for Male and Female in alchemy. Here is the alphanumeric key : "
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Whew! That was quite a post Cat Jockey. In my opinion, the best one you've ever made. I especially enjoyed the Colorado information. Some of it, I have never heard before.

It would be interesting to know the history of the LUE map. If nothing else, it's an interesting piece of treasure lore. I studied it, out of curiosity, but it just doesn't look like anything that is going to take you to a specific place. Those who claim to have found something by reading the map...well, congratulations, but I'd like to see somebody step forward and show how the map was used to find some associated artifacts. That isn't going to happen.

I have learned a lot of history about places all over North America and that has been very exciting.

Hey Cat Jockey, I know you said you were moving on, but I have a question for you, anyway. In one of your last posts, you mentioned finding a green rock, somewhere on the Arkansas River. Could you go into detail about that?

Thanks again for the excellent post.
 

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I am not a Mason , but I can lead you to a link about how Masons used words as numbers in regards to codified a map or ... whatever they wanted .

" The key to the alphanumeric code is not much of a mystery either. It was published in 2004 in the book 'The Knights Templar in the New World' by William F.Mann. The book revealed the code key was seized from a lawyer named Zwack in 1786 during a political raid in England of a secret society called 'The Illuminated Ones'. The society's emblematic colours were Red and White, which as any alchemist knows are the symbolic colours for Male and Female in alchemy. Here is the alphanumeric key : "
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Hi Marius. The link you posted is excellent and I know you've posted it before. I've heard about that book by William F. Mann, but I've never read it. I have used gematria to look for clues, with some luck, but I always used the straight alphabet numbered from 1-26.

Hey Marius, in some of Don Jose's posts, he calls you his Greek friend. I was wondering if you actually live in Greece? When I was a kid, I used to love to read about ancient Greek history. When I was in Junior High School, I read the Iliad three times, the first time to get the names straight, the second time to get the story straight and the third time, just because I liked it. My favorite city state was Sparta and then, naturally, Athens. I also read the Odyssey and that seemed to be a lot easier to read.

There was a guy, who used to post in the treasure signs forum, that described large trail markers along the North Africa coast. He said that turtle formations could be used to show land and water trails. A land turtle would be used to show an overland trail and a sea turtle would be used to show a water trail. If you live in Greece, could you tell me if you have ever seen anything like that? Thanks.

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Hi Mdog

Yes , i live in Greece , some kilometers north from the port ( Avlida ) where the Greek ships started the journey to conquer Troy .
Signs of turtles that show land trails or lead to water were not used in Greece . I believe is most an Iberian habit , which was transmitted to other countries of their influence .
 

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Yes , i live in Greece , some kilometers north from the port ( Avlida ) where the Greek ships started the journey to conquer Troy .
Signs of turtles that show land trails or lead to water were not used in Greece . I believe is most an Iberian habit , which was transmitted to other countries of their influence .
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What an exciting area you live in. I studied your region for one of my threads.

There are stone animal monuments in Spain called Verracos. I've posted about those before and suggested that there might be some connection between those and the rock animal monuments in North America.
 

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What an exciting area you live in. I studied your region for one of my threads.

There are stone animal monuments in Spain called Verracos. I've posted about those before and suggested that there might be some connection between those and the rock animal monuments in North America.
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In Greece , more of the animal monuments are from ancient times and usually are lions . For example , the Delos island animal monuments at Delos
 

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Maybe somebody can come up with an idea about this. The bottom peak (Culebra Peak) and the top of the T on Treasure Mountain, line up with the bottom of the eye figure. The second peak from the bottom (Spanish Peak) lines up with both corners of the eye. The third peak (Blanca Peak) lines up with the top of the eye. I think the eye might have some association with a treasure legend represented on the map. Have any of you folks ever heard of an eye symbolism associated with any of these legends, Beale, Oak Island, Wildcat Bluff, Spanish Peaks, Culebra Peak, Blanca Peak, Marble Mountain or Treasure Mountain?
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In one of our British Columbia lost treasures the lost creek mine there maybe an all seeing eye symbol connected to it. When I was in a Cessna doing recon for a location I took the following photo
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If you blow it up you can kinds see an eye.
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In one of our British Columbia lost treasures the lost creek mine there maybe an all seeing eye symbol connected to it. When I was in a Cessna doing recon for a location I took the following photo
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If you blow it up you can kinds see an eye.
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It' fuzzy when I enlarge it, so I couldn't see much detail. To tell for sure, if the eye shape was sculpted, you would have to get closer. I read the story about the Lost Creek Mine and the tent shaped rock sounds interesting. It would be nice to know if the rock had a teepee shape which would make it look like a pyramid. Also, I believe the legend mentioned a mark on the rock. Do you know if the mark was a carving, and if it was, what does the carving look like?
 

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It' fuzzy when I enlarge it, so I couldn't see much detail. To tell for sure, if the eye shape was sculpted, you would have to get closer. I read the story about the Lost Creek Mine and the tent shaped rock sounds interesting. It would be nice to know if the rock had a teepee shape which would make it look like a pyramid. Also, I believe the legend mentioned a mark on the rock. Do you know if the mark was a carving, and if it was, what does the carving look like?
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Here are two pics of a mark carved in one of tentshaped rocks. Why carve a mark in hard granite unless you have a good reason. We found the rock during the filming of Curse but was not investigated as they "producers" had drama to film.. I knew the mark was important as hell at the time we found it.. I am the guy with the hat..

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It' fuzzy when I enlarge it, so I couldn't see much detail. To tell for sure, if the eye shape was sculpted, you would have to get closer. I read the story about the Lost Creek Mine and the tent shaped rock sounds interesting. It would be nice to know if the rock had a teepee shape which would make it look like a pyramid. Also, I believe the legend mentioned a mark on the rock. Do you know if the mark was a carving, and if it was, what does the carving look like?
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Here is the front of the rock with the mark in the back in the other photo. PLus one more close up of the mark on the rock. The tool that was used was even left there. What is it?

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