"The Lue Map and the Nazi Connection -2. Continuation of the topic."

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I must admit I'm puzzled and disappointed that, given this simple question, no one has answered it correctly. The elements, with sun symbols and stairs, are the easiest to understand. And they immediately suggest the meaning in this card. (this, precisely, was for decoding specialists, "proof" that this "card" is a bluff) and is a psychological defense against serious perception of this "cartoon" card.
 
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I am already at a loss as to how it is more accessible for you, the reader, to finally suggest the answer. Here were all the hints. I have already chewed everything for you, it remains to put it in your mouth.
 

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No respected Fireflash. God knows, I have already told everything and even showed it. All you have to do is name the hour. Do I really need to write already a specific time?
Three digits (hours) out of twenty-four have already been named, are we going to approach the right one by the method of elimination? :laughing9:
 
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Understand, finally, you need to try to think, turn on the logic, meditate on the details. Build your hypotheses, theories and test them with facts. And when your theories and hypotheses begin to be confirmed by facts (not one but several), then you will finally get on the right track.
 

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That looks a lot like the LUE staircase and bricked wall. And the shadow across the left side... hmmm?

Where is this ? This is somewhere in New Mexico or Colorado ?? Doesn't look like adobe construction !

Edit: Reminds me of an Aztec or even Zoroastrian temple
It's an ancient sundial reproduction (thanks Ryano for jogging the memory). I think it's in Israel. Some guy tried fitting it in the "map's" stone structures motif back in the 90s as I remember and was trying to develop a site plan near the Giza pyramids.
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It's an ancient sundial reproduction (thanks Ryano for jogging the memory). I think it's in Israel. Some guy tried fitting it in the "map's" stone structures motif back in the 90s as I remember and was trying to develop a site plan near the Giza pyramids.
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Bravo! All right, good girl, keep it up!
 

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It's an ancient sundial reproduction (thanks Ryano for jogging the memory). I think it's in Israel. Some guy tried fitting it in the "map's" stone structures motif back in the 90s as I remember and was trying to develop a site plan near the Giza pyramids.
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sdcfia is correct ;-)

I discovered it (on the 'net) while searching for "stair-step sundial" , which led me to the "The Stairs of Ahaz" aka "Dial of Ahaz"
 
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sdcfia is correct ;-)

I discovered it (on the 'net) while searching for "stair-step sundial" , which led me to the "The Stairs of Ahaz" aka "Dial of Ahaz"
Honorable Ryano, I just admire your diligence! You are super! And now, dear gentlemen, when you finally felt the thread of truth, follow my advice that I gave you above. And already discard the illusions about the "cartoon" card, finally do the analysis, connect your logic and make your mind work. And may the best man win!
 
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In fact, Ryano took the first correct step, so to speak, laid the first puzzle correctly. And when one of you puts all the puzzles together correctly, an incredibly beautiful and bewitching picture will open to him. And she will tell you a lot. In the first branch of the topic, I did not make an artistic digression from scratch, it reflects the events of this story as accurately as possible. And the fact that no one has ever found a single confirmation of this topic is quite logical, the Nazis knew how to keep their secrets. I, in turn, made official requests to the historical archives of the USA and Germany, they could not answer exactly, vaguely hinting that more details were needed for the request and due to a lack of staff due to covid, this was not possible.
 
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And yet, so someone will finally name the correct time indicated on this map?
 
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For those who have not read my first thread before.
 
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Feel like we've been down this path before.

If you don't feel like the LUE is legit, you're probably never going to convince anyone in here otherwise. I believe it was Mark Twain who said, "It's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he's been fooled."

I'm still firmly on the side of the LUE being authentic. If you saw my presentation you'd know why, and you'd also know I full admit there are many flaws to the story as we currently know it. Simply put, all the information going back (at this time) directly to KvM makes the story vulnerable in an academic sense. My own goal has always been to reach back past that point, and I confess it's a goal I've not yet achieved.

My only complaint about this thread is that so much emphasis is given to the Nazi theory...a theory that did not exist before the advent of Treasurenet. As a researcher its frustrating to try and draw out details when so much of what has been written on the LUE was predicated on a theory that was created out of nothing but has captured the reader's fancy. Just means there's a lot of garbage floating around out there on a topic that's already difficult enough to sort out.

Also, most the folks on here are focusing on the annotated version of the LUE...which is also a Treasurenet excusive.
Honored, Randy Bradford, could you answer the question to me? Who or rather, what a real name, the author had those books in your presentation. There, the author is indicated under the pseudonym as Karl von Müller, the fact is that it is a pseudonym, the real Karl von Müller was only one, here is his biography - "Karl von Müller was born in Hanover in the family of Colonel of the Prussian army. After studying at the gymnasium in Gannover and Kile He entered the Military Academy in Plena, Schleswig-Holstein, but in 1891 he transferred to the imperial fleet. Müller served on the Shtosh training ship, then participated in the Frigate in the campaign in America. He received in October 1894 in October 1894 in October 1894 The position of a signalman on the batden battleship, and then on the same type of Saxony. " If you know who was the author of the books, then could you provide his name and biography?
 
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Honored, Randy Bradford, could you answer the question to me? Who or rather, what a real name, the author had those books in your presentation. There, the author is indicated under the pseudonym as Karl von Müller, the fact is that it is a pseudonym, the real Karl von Müller was only one, here is his biography - "Karl von Müller was born in Hanover in the family of Colonel of the Prussian army. After studying at the gymnasium in Gannover and Kile He entered the Military Academy in Plena, Schleswig-Holstein, but in 1891 he transferred to the imperial fleet. Müller served on the Shtosh training ship, then participated in the Frigate in the campaign in America. He received in October 1894 in October 1894 in October 1894 The position of a signalman on the batden battleship, and then on the same type of Saxony. " If you know who was the author of the books, then could you provide his name and biography?
So the time has come to express what I have not written before. About 38 years ago, I read in a rare magazine about this card and the backstory about it. There the plot was such that this map was a relic of the Muller family, which Mullers were not specified, but it was indicated that the head of the family took possession of this map during his service. But there is only one Müller involved in this story, and this is the head of the secret state police of the IV department of the RSHA. And the fact that this card, the head of the family found, seized during a search from a high-ranking Nazi officer involved in the conspirators of the assassination of Hitler. He knew that a place with a storehouse of gold was encrypted on it. The fact of the death of the head of the secret state police IV (4) department of the RSHA is rather contradictory and most of the details indicate that the death was simulated and that he managed to escape. And the article pointed out that for the rest of his life, this Muller tried to decipher the place of burial of gold, having spent his whole life and savings on information that could help decipher this map. But in the end, before his death, having despaired of finally understanding this map, he decided to tell about it in his memoirs. So the secret of this mysterious card was born. And I'm not surprised that the descendants of this Muller are still interested in deciphering the map. This story appeared in another interpretation already in your more modern version.
 

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So the time has come to express what I have not written before. About 38 years ago, I read in a rare magazine about this card and the backstory about it. There the plot was such that this map was a relic of the Muller family, which Mullers were not specified, but it was indicated that the head of the family took possession of this map during his service. But there is only one Müller involved in this story, and this is the head of the secret state police of the IV department of the RSHA. And the fact that this card, the head of the family found, seized during a search from a high-ranking Nazi officer involved in the conspirators of the assassination of Hitler. He knew that a place with a storehouse of gold was encrypted on it. The fact of the death of the head of the secret state police IV (4) department of the RSHA is rather contradictory and most of the details indicate that the death was simulated and that he managed to escape...

I'm currently reading this


which claims, based on OSS & CIA docs, that Heinrich lived until 1983 and was coveted by USINT for his unparalleled knowledge of Soviet Intelligence. It includes transcripts from his CIA job interviews. I admit that even in the same light that Nazi's were recruited by the British & Americans to fight Communism, I'm surprised that someone so integral to the Holocaust was employed by the CIA. But... the stakes (Communism vs Western Civ) were never higher and the ends justified the means (so they say..)

This book does have a foreword and accolades by a number of authority figures, including Prof. Frank Thayer of NMU and several military & civilian intelligence officials
 
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I'm currently reading this


which claims, based on OSS & CIA docs, that Heinrich lived until 1983 and was coveted by USINT for his unparalleled knowledge of Soviet Intelligence. It includes transcripts from his CIA job interviews. I admit that even in the same light that Nazi's were recruited by the British & Americans to fight Communism, I'm surprised that someone so integral to the Holocaust was employed by the CIA. But... the stakes (Communism vs Western Civ) were never higher and the ends justified the means (so they say..)

This book does have a foreword and accolades by a number of authority figures, including Prof. Frank Thayer of NMU and several military & civilian intelligence officials

Did a little digging on this and the book author apparently is Peter Stahl , and any quotes attributed to Frank Thayer and other accolades are suspect until confirmed. Author has been accused by of publishing antisemite propaganda. Still reading the book to look for any mention of gold or crypto

Also this, https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2005/5/4/111599/-
 
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Did a little digging on this and the book author apparently is Peter Stahl , and any quotes attributed to Frank Thayer and other accolades are suspect until confirmed. Author has been accused by of publishing antisemite propaganda. Still reading the book to look for any mention of gold or crypto

Also this, https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2005/5/4/111599/-
Very interesting, thanks. Difficulties only with translation, because I'm not English-speaking. But the topic is very interesting, I agree.
 

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sdcfia is correct ;-)

I discovered it (on the 'net) while searching for "stair-step sundial" , which led me to the "The Stairs of Ahaz" aka "Dial of Ahaz"
Yeah, the guy I mentioned had a similar experience - found the Ahaz structure, got inspired, then ran hard with it until, immersed in circular arguments, he gave up. I searched for that old 90s website yesterday (standalone for "LUE research", as I recall) but had no results. As you know, all search engines today are impotent shadows of what they used to provide before they became primarily propaganda tools and sales pitches.
 

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