Thoughts on how old this ring might be?

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
This gold ring with red ruby stone was found in an old park in Toronto by a friend. (y) It wasn’t deep, mainly because the roots of a tree stopped it from sinking too deep, it was maybe 4 - 5”. It looks old to me, like it’s been in the soil for quite a long time. The weight is 7.7 grams, the hallmarks are very small. The larger mark has two Fleur-de-lis flowers, the other stamp has 3 digits, which are either 900 or 800.

Any thoughts about the age or maker of this ring would be appreciated. 😃

Thanks,
Dave
 

Attachments

  • 20210927_214104-crop.jpg
    20210927_214104-crop.jpg
    61 KB · Views: 78
  • 20210927_214018-crop.jpg
    20210927_214018-crop.jpg
    55.5 KB · Views: 43
  • 20210927_195217-crop.jpg
    20210927_195217-crop.jpg
    84.3 KB · Views: 60
  • 20210927_210809.jpg
    20210927_210809.jpg
    71.5 KB · Views: 57

Blak bart

Gold Member
Jun 6, 2016
12,311
55,868
FL keys
🥇 Banner finds
5
Detector(s) used
Mine lab primary fisher secondary
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Not sure dave....I think its mid to late 19th century would be a guess from Me. The stone appears to be glass as it is eroded like sea glass in one pic. The hardness of genuine ruby would would not allow this kind of wear unless it was in sand of a harder rating (diamond) i hope someone will have a better date range....what a beauty...congrats to your friend !!
 
Upvote 0
OP
ANTIQUARIAN

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #3
Not sure dave....I think its mid to late 19th century would be a guess from Me. The stone appears to be glass as it is eroded like sea glass in one pic. The hardness of genuine ruby would would not allow this kind of wear unless it was in sand of a harder rating (diamond) i hope someone will have a better date range....what a beauty...congrats to your friend !!
Thanks very much for posting and sharing your thoughts Bart, if anyone knows jewelry you certainly do. I'll pass along what you mentioned to my friend.
Hope you and your family are all well,
Dave
 
Upvote 0
OP
ANTIQUARIAN

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #5
I am not an expert, but it has an Art Deco look to it. My guesstimate…1930.

aj
Thanks very much for your post aj, I appreciate it. :thumbsup:
Dave
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fat
Upvote 0

randazzo1

Bronze Member
Feb 1, 2006
1,563
1,679
New York, NY
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
1
Detector(s) used
Whites (CM 5000, XLT, VX3) and Minelab (Svgn GT & Excal III) 2021 I got picked up a Minelab equinox 800 but have not been able to use it yet because of the cold!
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Looks like high karat gold. I can't make out the marks, but I would agree with the comment above - I'm thinking 1910s-1940s.
 
Upvote 0

Red-Coat

Silver Member
Dec 23, 2019
2,912
8,468
Surrey, UK
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Your picture is a bit out of focus but, from in-hand examination, can you confirm whether the hallmark with the gold fineness number matches this?:

800.jpg


If so, I believe it's a Portuguese mark, in use between 1938-1984 and the cartouche shape is that used in the city of Porto. Note that the mark may be accompanied by either '800' or '900'.

The double fleur-de-lis mark would then be for the maker, but I don't know who that is,
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
OP
ANTIQUARIAN

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #9
Thanks very much for your help guys, I'm sure my friend will be very interested in what you've all had to say about his ring find. :notworthy:

Hope you all have a great weekend,
Dave
 
Upvote 0

Red-Coat

Silver Member
Dec 23, 2019
2,912
8,468
Surrey, UK
Primary Interest:
All Treasure Hunting
Doing just a cursory check on the old Internet, it seems that ring may be 19+ carats . It sure is nice :icon_thumright:

It is indeed a nice ring. I don't doubt it to be gold (19.2K if marked 800, or 21.6K if marked 900) but there are a limited number of countries who use or have used such marks. I think it more likely to be 800 (for hardness reasons) and Portugal would be my bet.
 
Upvote 0
OP
ANTIQUARIAN

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #13
Thanks again for your help guys, I'll pass on the info to my friend. :hello:
Dave
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fat
Upvote 0

OBN

Gold Member
Dec 30, 2008
6,356
6,623
Maryland Waters
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
1
Detector(s) used
"Excalibur"..
"AQ" Impulse
Primary Interest:
Other
Very Nice save!
I would say the 1950's, I have several similar. The stone is not a ruby so I would buff the ring with some mothers polish, and get some clear fingernail polish and put a nice gleam to the stone.
See if I can find some of my pictures..
21pp.jpg
21cc.jpg
21compare.jpg
 
Last edited:
Upvote 3
OP
ANTIQUARIAN

ANTIQUARIAN

Gold Member
Apr 24, 2010
11,666
22,685
Upper Canada
🥇 Banner finds
1
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
2
Detector(s) used
XP Deus, Lesche Piranha 35 Shovel & 'Garrett Carrot'
Primary Interest:
Relic Hunting
  • Thread Starter
  • Thread starter
  • #15
Very Nice save!
I would say the 1950's, I have several similar. The stone is not a ruby so I would buff the ring with some mothers polish, and get some clear fingernail polish and put a nice gleam to the stone.
See if I can find some of my pictures..
Thank you for sharing the pics of your cleaned ring finds OBN, they all look amazing! :thumbsup:

You're right, my friend took the ring to a jeweler and was told that the stone was a natural unpolished garnet and the 'pitted' look is how it was designed to appear.

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to post their thoughts to the thread! 👍
Dave
 
Upvote 1

Clay Diggins

Silver Member
Nov 14, 2010
4,057
12,012
The Great Southwest
Primary Interest:
Prospecting
You're right, my friend took the ring to a jeweler and was told that the stone was a natural unpolished garnet and the 'pitted' look is how it was designed to appear.
This makes no sense. The back of the stone is clearly faceted and polished. Unpolished Garnet does not have a rough surface as seen in the picture. The front of the stone may have been cushion cut but no lapidary would intentionally create a rough surface on a cab or a faceted stone.

It looks like mid 20th Century design and manufacture. This style of hollow casting was very popular in the 1940 - 1960 time period.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OBN
Upvote 1

OBN

Gold Member
Dec 30, 2008
6,356
6,623
Maryland Waters
🏆 Honorable Mentions:
1
Detector(s) used
"Excalibur"..
"AQ" Impulse
Primary Interest:
Other
This makes no sense. The back of the stone is clearly faceted and polished. Unpolished Garnet does not have a rough surface as seen in the picture. The front of the stone may have been cushion cut but no lapidary would intentionally create a rough surface on a cab or a faceted stone.

It looks like mid 20th Century design and manufacture. This style of hollow casting was very popular in the 1940 - 1960 time period.
I agree 100%... The Jeweler is wrong, pitting and dullness is cause by wear. I've got about 30 gold rings with the same wear on the stones, all from rolling around in the surf.
 
Upvote 1

Top Member Reactions

Users who are viewing this thread

Top