🥇 BANNER Unexpected 1825-1835 Militia Waist Belt Plate! Rare Variety Too!!!

paleomaxx

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Wouldn't have guessed in a million years I would be digging this up yesterday! Pretty standard yard hunt and my expectations were low. The house is relatively modern, but sits where an 1860's house once stood. I presume there had been lots of landscaping done during and after to construction, but it's not too far from the town center so I wanted to give it a try anyways. The first hour was the usual yard bits like aluminum, nondescript iron, and the occasional modern coin. I got to one spot that was filled with trashy overload signals and pulled out two zinc mason jar lids which were at least older than what had been turning up before. I get another shallow overload and flip over the plug to see a square of metal. Held it up to the light and saw this:

Plate 1.jpg


:hello2: That's not trash! Flipped it over and confirmed what I suspected:

Plate 2.jpg


Somehow I had stumbled on an early waist belt plate in the middle of this yard! I saw the tongue was there, but the bar was missing so I re-scanned the hole and sure enough found the bar. The solder had corroded from ground action so it separated right where the solder joint was on either side. Apart from a few bends and dings that the landscaping had imparted, this thing was in fantastic shape and I could see lots of the original gold gilt still under the dirt. All it took was a few minutes with dilute lemon juice and a toothbrush to bring it back!

Plate 5.jpg


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I knew it was a waist belt plate and likely an early 1800's one from the style, but I had never seen one like this before either posted here or in Campbell's 'American Military Insignia 1800-1851.'

I posted it in the 'What Is It' forum and TheCannonballGuy ID'd it as an 1825-1835 militia waist belt plate (#188 in American Military Belt Plates by Michael J. O'Donnell; J. Duncan Campbell)! There isn't a ton of background information on it, but it may have been a British-made plate that was available for purchase by the various US local militias at the time. It's most associated with New York, but it definitely wasn't a popular purchase as these plates seem to be vanishingly scarce. It took me hours, but I found a single archived auction listing from back in 2009 where a silver washed specimen sold:

Sale Plate 2.jpg


Unlike most other plates of the day, these ones are stamped on copper and not brass. This would have made them much softer and easier to damage so perhaps that was why not many were purchased. Any militia plate is a rare dig, but this one is a well preserved and scarce to boot! Definitely over the moon with this find!

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Swamp Fox

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Wouldn't have guessed in a million years I would be digging this up yesterday! Pretty standard yard hunt and my expectations were low. The house is relatively modern, but sits where an 1860's house once stood. I presume there had been lots of landscaping done during and after to construction, but it's not too far from the town center so I wanted to give it a try anyways. The first hour was the usual yard bits like aluminum, nondescript iron, and the occasional modern coin. I got to one spot that was filled with trashy overload signals and pulled out two zinc mason jar lids which were at least older than what had been turning up before. I get another shallow overload and flip over the plug to see a square of metal. Held it up to the light and saw this:

View attachment 2049006

:hello2: That's not trash! Flipped it over and confirmed what I suspected:

View attachment 2049007

Somehow I had stumbled on an early waist belt plate in the middle of this yard! I saw the tongue was there, but the bar was missing so I re-scanned the hole and sure enough found the bar. The solder had corroded from ground action so it separated right where the solder joint was on either side. Apart from a few bends and dings that the landscaping had imparted, this thing was in fantastic shape and I could see lots of the original gold gilt still under the dirt. All it took was a few minutes with dilute lemon juice and a toothbrush to bring it back!

View attachment 2049008

View attachment 2049009

I knew it was a waist belt plate and likely an early 1800's one from the style, but I had never seen one like this before either posted here or in Campbell's 'American Military Insignia 1800-1851.'

I posted it in the 'What Is It' forum and TheCannonballGuy ID'd it as an 1825-1835 militia waist belt plate (#188 in American Military Belt Plates by Michael J. O'Donnell; J. Duncan Campbell)! There isn't a ton of background information on it, but it may have been a British-made plate that was available for purchase by the various US local militias at the time. It's most associated with New York, but it definitely wasn't a popular purchase as these plates seem to be vanishingly scarce. It took me hours, but I found a single archived auction listing from back in 2009 where a silver washed specimen sold:

View attachment 2049010

Unlike most other plates of the day, these ones are stamped on copper and not brass. This would have made them much softer and easier to damage so perhaps that was why not many were purchased. Any militia plate is a rare dig, but this one is a well preserved and scarce to boot! Definitely over the moon with this find!

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great recovery
 

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Wouldn't have guessed in a million years I would be digging this up yesterday! Pretty standard yard hunt and my expectations were low. The house is relatively modern, but sits where an 1860's house once stood. I presume there had been lots of landscaping done during and after to construction, but it's not too far from the town center so I wanted to give it a try anyways. The first hour was the usual yard bits like aluminum, nondescript iron, and the occasional modern coin. I got to one spot that was filled with trashy overload signals and pulled out two zinc mason jar lids which were at least older than what had been turning up before. I get another shallow overload and flip over the plug to see a square of metal. Held it up to the light and saw this:

View attachment 2049006

:hello2: That's not trash! Flipped it over and confirmed what I suspected:

View attachment 2049007

Somehow I had stumbled on an early waist belt plate in the middle of this yard! I saw the tongue was there, but the bar was missing so I re-scanned the hole and sure enough found the bar. The solder had corroded from ground action so it separated right where the solder joint was on either side. Apart from a few bends and dings that the landscaping had imparted, this thing was in fantastic shape and I could see lots of the original gold gilt still under the dirt. All it took was a few minutes with dilute lemon juice and a toothbrush to bring it back!

View attachment 2049008

View attachment 2049009

I knew it was a waist belt plate and likely an early 1800's one from the style, but I had never seen one like this before either posted here or in Campbell's 'American Military Insignia 1800-1851.'

I posted it in the 'What Is It' forum and TheCannonballGuy ID'd it as an 1825-1835 militia waist belt plate (#188 in American Military Belt Plates by Michael J. O'Donnell; J. Duncan Campbell)! There isn't a ton of background information on it, but it may have been a British-made plate that was available for purchase by the various US local militias at the time. It's most associated with New York, but it definitely wasn't a popular purchase as these plates seem to be vanishingly scarce. It took me hours, but I found a single archived auction listing from back in 2009 where a silver washed specimen sold:

View attachment 2049010

Unlike most other plates of the day, these ones are stamped on copper and not brass. This would have made them much softer and easier to damage so perhaps that was why not many were purchased. Any militia plate is a rare dig, but this one is a well preserved and scarce to boot! Definitely over the moon with this find!

View attachment 2049011
Big congrats on a fantastic find.
 

ODELLRORRER

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Wouldn't have guessed in a million years I would be digging this up yesterday! Pretty standard yard hunt and my expectations were low. The house is relatively modern, but sits where an 1860's house once stood. I presume there had been lots of landscaping done during and after to construction, but it's not too far from the town center so I wanted to give it a try anyways. The first hour was the usual yard bits like aluminum, nondescript iron, and the occasional modern coin. I got to one spot that was filled with trashy overload signals and pulled out two zinc mason jar lids which were at least older than what had been turning up before. I get another shallow overload and flip over the plug to see a square of metal. Held it up to the light and saw this:

View attachment 2049006

:hello2: That's not trash! Flipped it over and confirmed what I suspected:

View attachment 2049007

Somehow I had stumbled on an early waist belt plate in the middle of this yard! I saw the tongue was there, but the bar was missing so I re-scanned the hole and sure enough found the bar. The solder had corroded from ground action so it separated right where the solder joint was on either side. Apart from a few bends and dings that the landscaping had imparted, this thing was in fantastic shape and I could see lots of the original gold gilt still under the dirt. All it took was a few minutes with dilute lemon juice and a toothbrush to bring it back!

View attachment 2049008

View attachment 2049009

I knew it was a waist belt plate and likely an early 1800's one from the style, but I had never seen one like this before either posted here or in Campbell's 'American Military Insignia 1800-1851.'

I posted it in the 'What Is It' forum and TheCannonballGuy ID'd it as an 1825-1835 militia waist belt plate (#188 in American Military Belt Plates by Michael J. O'Donnell; J. Duncan Campbell)! There isn't a ton of background information on it, but it may have been a British-made plate that was available for purchase by the various US local militias at the time. It's most associated with New York, but it definitely wasn't a popular purchase as these plates seem to be vanishingly scarce. It took me hours, but I found a single archived auction listing from back in 2009 where a silver washed specimen sold:

View attachment 2049010

Unlike most other plates of the day, these ones are stamped on copper and not brass. This would have made them much softer and easier to damage so perhaps that was why not many were purchased. Any militia plate is a rare dig, but this one is a well preserved and scarce to boot! Definitely over the moon with this find!

View attachment 2049011
Fantastic find and quite the story to go along with it!!
 

HEAVYMETALNUT

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what a beautiful plate! I need to get on here more often! congrats on the banner! reminds me a little of my same era belt plate
 

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This is absolutely one Beautiful, Historical, military belt plate. Congrat's in every regard to one Super Save. It's in great shape, and you did a great job in cleaning the plate up. This will sure look nice in your display. I would personally put a price on this relic as being PRICELESS! :usflag:
 

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Wouldn't have guessed in a million years I would be digging this up yesterday! Pretty standard yard hunt and my expectations were low. The house is relatively modern, but sits where an 1860's house once stood. I presume there had been lots of landscaping done during and after to construction, but it's not too far from the town center so I wanted to give it a try anyways. The first hour was the usual yard bits like aluminum, nondescript iron, and the occasional modern coin. I got to one spot that was filled with trashy overload signals and pulled out two zinc mason jar lids which were at least older than what had been turning up before. I get another shallow overload and flip over the plug to see a square of metal. Held it up to the light and saw this:

View attachment 2049006

:hello2: That's not trash! Flipped it over and confirmed what I suspected:

View attachment 2049007

Somehow I had stumbled on an early waist belt plate in the middle of this yard! I saw the tongue was there, but the bar was missing so I re-scanned the hole and sure enough found the bar. The solder had corroded from ground action so it separated right where the solder joint was on either side. Apart from a few bends and dings that the landscaping had imparted, this thing was in fantastic shape and I could see lots of the original gold gilt still under the dirt. All it took was a few minutes with dilute lemon juice and a toothbrush to bring it back!

View attachment 2049008

View attachment 2049009

I knew it was a waist belt plate and likely an early 1800's one from the style, but I had never seen one like this before either posted here or in Campbell's 'American Military Insignia 1800-1851.'

I posted it in the 'What Is It' forum and TheCannonballGuy ID'd it as an 1825-1835 militia waist belt plate (#188 in American Military Belt Plates by Michael J. O'Donnell; J. Duncan Campbell)! There isn't a ton of background information on it, but it may have been a British-made plate that was available for purchase by the various US local militias at the time. It's most associated with New York, but it definitely wasn't a popular purchase as these plates seem to be vanishingly scarce. It took me hours, but I found a single archived auction listing from back in 2009 where a silver washed specimen sold:

View attachment 2049010

Unlike most other plates of the day, these ones are stamped on copper and not brass. This would have made them much softer and easier to damage so perhaps that was why not many were purchased. Any militia plate is a rare dig, but this one is a well preserved and scarce to boot! Definitely over the moon with this find!

View attachment 2049011
Amazing. Congratulations!
 

dognose

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simply amazing.
that is survived for so long. eluded the landscaping tools is like crazy lucky too.
congratulations on an extremely rare find.
 

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what an amazing belt plate! congrats on banner!
 

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