Yamashita Treasure : Bits & Pieces of the Truth

Lostgold

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Ok, you're going to have to reach the truth on your own. I've given what I have solely for the purpose of convincing my fellow Americans that our ancestors achieved much more than we were ever taught in the history books. The golden fruits of their labor are here, buried deep in the ground of the Philippine islands. With the right skills and measure of preserverance you can come here and enrich yourselves beyond your wildest imaginations.
 

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Many years ago I was part of an investigation into those who were going to hit the Bank of Manila to remove 22 tons of this looted Jap gold that Marcos had recovered

People were lining up to give them money to be in on the big heist that was all a 'secret' by 'those who knew'.

The money to hire the 'Israeli mercenaries' and hire the Antonov 22 cargo plane to fly the gold was all being spent in restaurants and at casinos by the organisers.

It was all hushed up due to how much money was lost by gullible fools, who they were and why they took part in it.

That's why these are a 'secret' by 'those who know'.
 
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Lostgold

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Many years ago I was part of an investigation into those who were going to hit the Bank of Manila to remove 22 tons of this looted Jap gold that Marcos had recovered

People were lining up to give them money to be in on the big heist that was all a 'secret' by 'those who knew'.

The money to hire the 'Israeli mercenaries' and hire the Antonov cargo plane to fly the gold was all being spent in restaurants and at the racetrack by the organisers.

It was all hushed up due to how much money was lost by gullible fools.

That's why these are a 'secret' by 'those who know'.
People believe that strongly and are so easily fooled by the scams because they know the treasure exists. Quite obviously. All people outside mainland America are not as dumb as a sack of rocks, as you seem to believe.

There are enough true and confirmable rags to riches by way of treasure stories out here to keep all the games going. You even mentioned Marcos who literally lost the largest lawsuit in human history, in a Hawaiian court no less, to treasure hunter Rogelio Roxas for robbing him of the golden buddha full of gems and box loads of gold bars.

Yet you and others rush to making these simple-minded blanket statements because there are scams running out there. Obviously there are going to be scams. Obviously people keep believing in them for a reason. It's all so obvious isn't it.
 
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freeman

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People believe that strongly and are so easily fooled by the scams because they know the treasure exists. Quite obviously. All people outside mainland America are not as dumb as a sack of rocks, as you seem to believe.

There are enough true and confirmable rags to riches by way of treasure stories out here to keep all the games going. You even mentioned Marcos who literally lost the largest lawsuit in human history, in a Hawaiian court no less, to treasure hunter Rogelio Roxas for robbing him of the golden buddha full of gems and box loads of gold bars.

Yet you and others rush to making these simple-minded blanket statements because there are scams running out there. Obviously there are going to be scams. Obviously people keep believing in them for a reason. It's all so obvious isn't it.
Not sure how I made a 'simple minded blind statement' about something I was involved in. And by the way I'm not an American nor in America.

You see there is a simple adage: if it looks like a scam and smells like a scam then it probably is, unless you are one of those whose greed takes over and begin to say it's all true because of the gold they are about to get......
 
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Not sure how I made a 'simple minded blind statement' about something I was involved in. And by the way I'm not an American nor in America.
That's the MO, makes assumptions and accuses others of being blind, ignorant or on their high horse. The word projection comes to mind.
 
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The end of reasonable skepticism.
That case raises nothing but skepticism and raised more questions then it answered.

The case was a Civil action brought in US courts against a deceased deposed dictator Ferdinand Marcos. A civil action like this does not require a unanimous decision of jury nor does it require you prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. In this case, the Plantiffs burden of proof was only that the jury believed him more than they did a deceased thug dictator who fleeced his country. It was a slam dunk with what amounted to a default judgement.

Regarding the Alleged "Gold Budda" it was testified to by Jose Roxas, Rogelio's brother, as being lead or brass:
"At the initial hearing on the petition, conducted on April 28, 1995, Jose testified that he had been present when the raiding party confiscated the buddha. The court directed Jose to inspect the buddha in the clerk's possession and testify whether it was the same one taken from Rogelio Roxas. The *1226 court noted from its own observation that "t appears ... that the color is gold but it is superficial, it is only the outer part because there are parts where the color was chipoff [sic] and what you see is silver or white[.]" Jose identified the buddha as the statue confiscated from Roxas's house. At a second hearing, held on May 15, 1995, Jose testified that the buddha that had been in Roxas's house was "made of lead or copper but the reporters added that said Buddha was made of gold." He testified further that "[Roxas] also knew it was made of lead" but that Roxas had claimed that it was gold because he had been bribed by politicians to do so."

Also, the " $22 billion award" No sir, the estate of Marco's appealed and won, as the trial court erred in evaluating alleged treasure, not seized treasure, they valued the 17 bars seized and the budda statue and awarded around 13 million, but that too was an assumption the statue was gold, when witnesses to it said it was actually brass or lead and it wasn't present at the appeals trial for anyone to test or analyze.

In the end, it appears all they actually seized was 17 small gold bars and a brass statue. Witnesses did describe seeing vaults full of gold at various gov't controlled banks with one witness testifying that Ferdinand contacted him wanting to melt down gold bars to recast them with the cover story they were "Yamishita's Gold" hence making it appear legit, when in fact, in hindsight, it is now known the Ferdinand Marcos and his wife were embezzling all of the country's wealth and were likely trying to melt down the countries own gold reserves to recast it so as to not be traceable.
 
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Lostgold

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Read it again, jeez. Simple-minded BLANKET statement. Because you're claiming the whole legend is a scam since scams survive because of it. I wonder why I bother at all with you guys.
 
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Lostgold

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That case raises nothing but skepticism and raised more questions then it answered.

The case was a Civil action brought in US courts against a deceased deposed dictator Ferdinand Marcos. A civil action like this does not require a unanimous decision of jury nor does it require you prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. In this case, the Plantiffs burden of proof was only that the jury believed him more than they did a deceased thug dictator who fleeced his country. It was a slam dunk with what amounted to a default judgement.

Regarding the Alleged "Gold Budda" it was testified to by Jose Roxas, Rogelio's brother, as being lead or brass:
"At the initial hearing on the petition, conducted on April 28, 1995, Jose testified that he had been present when the raiding party confiscated the buddha. The court directed Jose to inspect the buddha in the clerk's possession and testify whether it was the same one taken from Rogelio Roxas. The *1226 court noted from its own observation that "t appears ... that the color is gold but it is superficial, it is only the outer part because there are parts where the color was chipoff [sic] and what you see is silver or white[.]" Jose identified the buddha as the statue confiscated from Roxas's house. At a second hearing, held on May 15, 1995, Jose testified that the buddha that had been in Roxas's house was "made of lead or copper but the reporters added that said Buddha was made of gold." He testified further that "[Roxas] also knew it was made of lead" but that Roxas had claimed that it was gold because he had been bribed by politicians to do so."

Also, the " $22 billion award" No sir, the estate of Marco's appealed and won, as the trial court erred in evaluating alleged treasure, not seized treasure, they valued the 17 bars seized and the budda statue and awarded around 13 million, but that too was an assumption the statue was gold, when witnesses to it said it was actually brass or lead and it wasn't present at trial for anyone to test or analyze.

In the end, it appears all they actually seized was 17 small gold bars and a brass statue. Witnesses did describe seeing vaults full of gold at various gov't controlled banks with one witness testifying that Ferdinand contacted him wanting to melt down gold bars to recast them with the cover story they were "Yamishita's Gold" hence making it appear legit, when in fact, in hindsight, it is now known the Ferdinand Marcos and his wife were embezzling all of the country's wealth and were likely trying to melt down the countries own gold reserves to recast it so as to not be traceable.
I give up. It's all tough love anyway. Happy hunting. Be safe.
 

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I give up. It's all tough love anyway. Happy hunting. Be safe.
Good luck in your search. I see by a few of your earlier posts, you were digging in a pit that got flooded as i recall, i hope you come up with something from it and can post up some pictures.
 

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Here's some real treasure from the Philippines, found in 1981 and dated several centuries ago that has nothing to do with Yamashita's legend.

Notice the difference between it and any "Yamashita Legends". The artifacts are clear, tangible, traceable, accessible, oh, and clear, concise pictures. Also, note the collection is made up of unique, varied pieces.

Not the stereotypical homogenous finely minted, neatly stacked gold bars with bank names clearly cast in them you see in all the Yamashita claims, which is a big tell to them being forgeries/staged (or just pictures of real gold in legit vaults and passed off on some unknowing investor as Yamashita's). As i mentioned in my earlier posts, this late in the war, any plundered loot would have been scarce and of random, unique pieces seized from all over the south pacific, and that which would have been melted down and recast, would have been workmanlike castings without "Suisse" and "Burma" and other nonsense cast in them.

 
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