Gold and lead?

[lost items recovery]

Hello, Ok I've heard, seen videos, and read online that there is a "chance" that in an area were sinkers are you sometimes can find gold because of similar weight comparisons ie leads heavy and golds heavy. Well I'm up to about 22 pounds of lead sinkers, lure heads ect and I have not found any gold where I have found sinkers. Some of you may wonder if there is a fishing pier near by or is this all from the same beach? The answer is no to both questions! I have found numerous sinkers pooled up together but that's all there is! No quarters yada yada yada! I really think a sinker will plant itself a lot faster due to shape and size even if you had a similar weight gold item. Let's just say you had a gold ring and a piece of lead the same weight but shaped differently. Wouldn't you think that a ring being it has a hole in the center and a clump of lead in a sinker kind of shape, the ring would most likely travel differently in the current and possibly sink into the sand differently? I'm sure your answer is yes! But why is it some times there's gold and quarters around weights but not most of the time? I've found gold, sinkers, and quarters but never really together. I've noticed it's more a reality that clad of random size and weight doesn't necessarily gather together as I've found a mix of clad all up and down the beach not gathering together in similar size and weight. Gold in the water current moved around to the lowest point or just sits where it was dropped? Leaning towards it sinks down in the sand underwater and is do deep that it can't be moved around or reached. Gold found in wet sand. Was it lost in the water and driven up to shore by the waves/current or more likely that it was dropped where it was found? Ok granted a storm of sorts could remove from sand from beneath the water and get some gold running for its escape to shore I could see. I've heard numerous times that gold moves around under the water and (head bang!) sinking to the hard packed bottom but if it moves around to low lying areas and hearing that it's not uncommon for a lost gold ring to be found a half mile up the beach then Why is it that treasure hunters that search the 1700's crash sites find the gold coins and the like pretty much where it sank some 300 years ago?? I don't think all the theories are correct on the movement and relocation of lost gold and jewelry items. I occasionally still hunt a really busy beach that has produced an insane amount of finds before ..........sorry had to wipe a tear! Before they dredged it. A few hunting buddies as well as myself have taken a serious amount of gold silver and platinum combined together. A buddy of mine took about $2000 in gold from to neighboring beaches in 8 days after sandy rolled around! Man I miss her!! The dredge was performed with barges so we hoped that maybe something good from the water may have been pumped to shore but reality seems to be that the ride is over with not much more then iron scales from the pipes. Since then this couple mile beach has been packed out pretty damn good year round to the point the family and I can't find a parking spot on the weekend and have to travel 1-2 towns away. Figuring it is such a busy beach that there's bound to be plenty of fresh drops even though it's the most heavily hunted beach you could possibly imagine! Trying to gain faith in what was the most beautiful hunting site and now turned into a desert figuring fresh dry sand drops should be plentiful Soon I took back to hunting our old friend to stumble a crossed tractors daily dragging behind rake style baskets to remove the trash and but heads bulldozing the cuts down so the prissy BMW beach goers can walk to the waters edge without having to climb back up to the dry sand. I'm sorry for sounding so bitter but it still stings! Some of you probably can figure out where I'm talking about and I'd have no problem leaving it to who ever wants to hunt it but that would be fair to those who still want it as there sweet spot. Any thoughts on a dredged beach? I can tell you that I watched a lot of the restoration and saw them put about 10ft of sand on top of our hot spot when it was the best we've ever seen. Trying to hunt other local beaches but it's just not the same. Hope this post wasn't to spastic but I'd love to hear your theories on the above mentioned topics. Good luck filling your scoops with fire and ice!

 

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[DnD]

LIR, I wish you were wrong but.....ha ha ha...

 

[lost items recovery]

LIR, I wish you were wrong but.....ha ha ha... <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=895705"/>

Lol! Classic!

 

[GatorBoy]

Its about (specific gravity)..not weight.
And surface area as well as shape.
A flat coin is not going to react the same as a round sinker..and a gold ring is not going to act the same as a gold charm if all the same weight....ect..especially if moving water is involved. and the amount of surface area for the water to act on is different.
Then their is the fact that Mabey there is nothing gold there... I don't know why people seem to think it's everywhere all the time.

 

[bigscoop]

"Small gold chains"....they are harder to find because they have very little centralized mass AND the conductivity of the gold chain is similar to the saltwater/sand mixture they are buried in. Lead weights, as Gatorboy pointed out, have a lot of centralized mass, for this reason they are easy to detect even at extreme depths. A gold ring, yes - they are dense, but they are also hollow, their density being spread out much like single links on a chain, and like the small gold chain, it is their conductivity that now comes into play because it is similar to the conductivity of the surrounding saltwater/sand mixture.

And surface area is also a huge factor, with the ring being hollow there is very little surface area to be pushed on, drop a gold ring on top of the wet sand and the middle of the ring instantly fills with wet sand which makes it even harder to move, but sinkers have more surface area and they are likely to roll or to slide with the current depending on their design and the strength of the current. Turn that sinker on end, or at an angle, and it's mass is still centralized, the footprint of the target changes very little, this same thing isn't true with the ring, and the deeper that ring sinks into that similar saltwater and sand mixture the sooner it's footprint will start to blend into the surroundings, just like those small gold chains. This is why so many hunters use the most sensitive machine settings and the best headphones possible, so they can hear those very deep, and/or, very faint/subtle target responses.

A nickel is larger then a dime or penny and so it has more surface area, but it's conductivity is similar to that of gold. Take a handful of these items to the wet sand and bury them then see which one of them you can read the deepest. I'll bet it's not the nickel.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Tune your detector to gold at that beach....

Bury a gold ring at beach your hunting at least 8" deep with a line attached to it on a cork.

Adjust your settings until you can pick up the gold ring signal from multiple directions.

All beaches are different, if you don't get your coil over gold you want find gold.

One more tip, you will never ever find gold where none was lost or already found..



We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[GatorBoy]

Oh.. one suggestion about hunting that beach.. go there after a large swell has died down.
Go on low tide and don't bother scanning large areas...just find what look like rises in the mid beach that have shells on them and look below those closer to the water..you should see where larger material has gathered..hunt those areas for items like rings,watches and probably a bunch of lead..but that's how it goes.

 

[GatorBoy]

I recently pulled these from a renourished beach... try that amongst the pipe scale.
I don't target recent drops they are just "bi-catch" in what I do.

 

[lost items recovery]

I recently pulled these from a renourished beach... try that amongst the pipe scale. <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=895809"/>

Very cool find Gator boy!
Would those happen to be pieces of 8?

 

[GatorBoy]

Half reales.

 

[lost items recovery]

Half reales.

They're silver correct?

 

[GatorBoy]

Yes .. late 1600's to early 1700's

 

[lost items recovery]

Yes .. late 1600's to early 1700's

Congrats brother! Wish I could have luck like that it must be surreal just to hold something like that!

 

[GatorBoy]

Thanks man.
It takes patients and tenacity but being in the right place when the right conditions are present is the key.
I even find non metallic items like ceramics when that happens.

 

[Beach Papa]

A cubic foot of sand weighs about 120 lbs.
A cubic foot of steel weighs about 400 lbs.
A cubic foot of lead weighs about 700 lbs.
A cubic foot of gold weighs about 1200 lbs.

You can see there is a weight difference. All that has been said about how solid a item is still applies. Gold is still much heavier than lead and although you may find gold in the same area as lead, there are many factors that go along with the reason you find your treasure... HH, Beach Papa

 

[lost items recovery]

Good info thanks for responding

 

[surfnturf]

Finding lead sinkers is just one clue of many to help you find the desired flash and burn!!



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