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    Sep 2013
    New England, USA
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    I keep snapping scoop handles... why?

    I'm having a string of bad luck with scoop handles on my Stealth. I am not a large person, 5'11 and about 170 lbs. I don't unga bunga on the handle but I do like to get as much material as I can... isn't that the point?

    I'm on my third handle in about 1 month of scooping. And not much scooping, either. Maybe 10 hours total.

    The most disappointing break was yesterday, when the handle snapped on my 2nd scoop! I had broken one on Friday, went out with a new one on Saturday and on literally my second scoop with this brand new handle I heard a snap and I was out of commission.





    I'm on my last handle and I've got a crack forming. I've put a couple of hose clamps on there in an effort to get a little more time out of it but I'm nervous while digging now.



    I like to get a lot of material at once, but now I'm treating this thing like a china doll for fear of snapping my last handle. Do you guys dig gingerly? I'm wondering if I need to change my approach, or take much smaller bites. I certainly can't afford to buy new handles once a week.

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    what kind of wood?
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    I'd use oak

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    One simple advice: Buy A stainless steet handle ;-) i broke 5 or more voden and fibre glass ones before i decided, screw that, i will have extra weight but solid scoop
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    they spell funny in NZ

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    I keep snapping scoop handles... why?
    Made in china garbage?If so theres your answer.

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    LOL, like where a tree grows makes a difference
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    Sep 2013
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    These are the handles Sunspot sells. I highly doubt they are made in China. I think they're made here, out of ash. Anyway, is it common to go through wooden handles? Has anyone found a strong replacement that will fit the Stealth?

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    Honestly, I have been a second-generation machinist my whole life. I grew up in my father's shop. Whenever he wanted something, he made it. Therefore - and I hate to brag - but I'm a fair engineer. In my honest, and humble opinion, the design of where those stealth scoops attach to the handle is a poor one, considering the most-common handle materials used.

    Look at it a minute: The handle clamps down on the wood about right where the whole amount of torque from levering back with a full scoop of material. Clamping those U-bolts down even tighter only squeezes and compresses the wood fibers, making sure that any lateral stresses applied will only make them crack and split even more prematurely.

    If I had a stealth scoop, I would surely use a stainless tube as a handle. It would surely bend before it breaks. The carbon fiber handle is probably quite rugged as well, albeit quite costly. If you are looking for a low-cost solution, I would try some 1" EMT. Cheap and strong.

    I hope some of this resonates and helps. Let us know if you make a change and how it works! Good luck and HH!

    Higgy
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    Sep 2013
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    Higgy,

    Thanks very much for your feedback! I think you are right about the u-bolts compressing the wood and making it more fragile. I definitely think that the connection between the handle and the scoop does need to be reinforced somehow. Perhaps a thin metal shim between the u-bolt and handle before tightening the bolt down would do the trick. 1" EMP sounds like a good idea! It sounds heavy though :/

    I'd also like everyone to know that I'm digging in the water, in wet heavy sand. The scoop itself is built like a brick sh__house. I'm a big fan of the scoop! It's just the bottom of the handle that takes a real beating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkBrother View Post
    One simple advice: Buy A stainless steet handle ;-) i broke 5 or more voden and fibre glass ones before i decided, screw that, i will have extra weight but solid scoop
    Dude! You broke fiberglass scoop handles? You gotta be some serial waite liftur!
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    Quote Originally Posted by catamount View Post
    Higgy,
    I definitely think that the connection between the handle and the scoop does need to be reinforced somehow. Perhaps a thin metal shim between the u-bolt and handle before tightening the bolt down would do the trick. 1" EMP sounds like a good idea! It sounds heavy though :/
    I would suggest buying a piece of the EMT approximately the same diameter as the wood handle. Cut off a section - maybe 12-18 inches, and slice it in half, lengthwise. Clamshell it onto the handle, and then clamp it . That way it may act to distribute the clamping forces to spread over a wider area. Hey its worth a try?
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    LOL, like where a tree grows makes a difference
    No it doesnt,but it seems to me the type of wood that is used does.

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    Sep 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgy View Post
    I would suggest buying a piece of the EMT approximately the same diameter as the wood handle. Cut off a section - maybe 12-18 inches, and slice it in half, lengthwise. Clamshell it onto the handle, and then clamp it . That way it may act to distribute the clamping forces to spread over a wider area. Hey its worth a try?
    Not a bad idea, but I don't think it's possible. The wood handles from Stealth come with a machined face in the back (to fit snugly against the flat back of the mount) and pre-routed indentations for the u-bolts. In other words, there is VERY little room for slack in the setup, and certainly no room for a clamshelled pipe of any thickness. It's actually a tight fit just getting the u-bolts on as-is.

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    I have that exact scoop and I put an orange fiberglass pultruded handle on mine (salvaged from a pole saw). At first the ubolts crushed it so I cut it off and put fiberglass resin in the first 6 inches so the ubolts can't crush it...no problems so far, although I have only used it about 10 times.

 

 
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